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 How bad was this play, jaustin, 30. Dec 2003 23:11 | ||
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| NL tourney at PP. Down to ~60 players (from 900). I'm in about 15th place with 18k in chips. Blinds are 500/1k. Dealt 9Ts on the button. Normally this is muck or steal, but three players limp and the blinds are both passive players and I decide to call (mistake?). Flop comes 589 (two clubs) - all check. I bet 3k into the 4500 pot (too small?). One early position player (not BB) calls. He's got about 500 more chips than me. I put him on a flush draw - the nine is a club so I'm not too worried about a better nine as I don't see him limping with A9o or smooth calling with A9s. Also, with a two flush I don't think he'd slow play trips or two pair so I'm fairly confident my hand is good. Turn is a blank and he checks to me. I still think he has a flush draw and want to give him poor odds to call and bet 6000 chips (again too small?) into the now 1050 pot, leaving me with 7200. He calls. River is the 5c. He goes all-in. I agonize and fold. He played the hand exactly like he was on the flush draw and I couldn't see any other hand he might have been calling the hole way with. Of the four decisions I made, how many were wrong: 1) Calling pre-flop 2) Betting 3k on the flop (perhaps bet the pot instead) 3) Betting 6k on the turn (all-in perhaps) 4) Folding the river (I think this was the right play) Thanks. | ||
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| Re: How bad was this play, shorn, 31. Dec 2003 06:57 | ||
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| on 30. Dec 2003 23:11 jaustin wrote: > 1) Calling pre-flop IMO, this was your biggest mistake. You don't need to play this hand in this spot, so wait for a better opportunity. > 2) Betting 3k on the flop (perhaps bet the pot instead) I think I would have taken a free card here. You still have three spots where someone could be checkraising a big hand and this board is double coordinated. It really didn't hit you all that hard either, so unless the turn hit me again, I wouldn't want to commit any more $$ to this hand. > 3) Betting 6k on the turn (all-in perhaps) Once your flop bet is called, you have to put the guy on a decent hand and not just a draw because you don't have too much information. I check again here. > 4) Folding the river (I think this was the right play) I agree. However, I think you ran into a "compounding" error here by playing this hand pre-flop. Now, in some case, I may have limped too, but I would need to have the flop hit me twice (two-pair or openender and a pair and No flush draw) to keep going. You have a better than average stack, so there is no need to push this marginal holding. > > Thanks. | ||
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| Re: How bad was this play, Jordan, 31. Dec 2003 07:54 | ||
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| I agree with Shorn. I wouldn't play 910s especially when three other people have limped into the hand. You get yourself into bad situations where you feel obligated to play the 'best hand'. It's like when you are in the blinds, hit top pair and cruddy kicker and play a guessing game as to if another player is raising with a legit hand (top pair, better kicker or better) or trying to bluff you off the pot) since it doesn't appear you should have much given your position in the blinds. It's just not a great position to get yourself into and you can avoid bleeding away so many chips in a marginal situation. | ||
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