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Bad Beat? You be the judge..., WhamBam, 30. Dec 2003 13:48
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I've been agonizing (not really, but close) over a hand that busted me out of a NLHE tourney this weekend. I think its a bad beat, and after the hand description, I'll explain why:

Stacks:
Me - ~4800
Them - ~10000

I'm holding Qh Th, and raise from the small blind trying to mix up my play to throw everyone off.

Two other players call.

Flop comes: Ks 9s Js
giving me a straight. Obiviously fearing the flush, I make a pot sized bet (which at this point is 1600) to feel it out. Seat 2 folds, Seat 3 calls. I think about this and put Seat 3 on flush draw. I reason that if he had flopped a flush, he would have re-raised. Of course slowplaying crossed my mind, but I eventually come to the conclusion that if one more spade falls, I'm beaten.

The turn brings: 3h.
Terrific, a blank (as far as the flush draw is concerned) falls. I push all in to try to prevent Seat 3 from catching the spade on the river...but he calls!

Of course the river brings: Qs

On the showdown, Seat 3 shows As 3d...what???? He called about a third of his stack on a draw? Am I missing something here?

I went back and analyzed the hand, and I was a 4:1 favorite after the 3h fell on the turn!

I don't think I could have played the hand differently except to fold. But, I put the guy on the correct hand, and still lost. Aggravating to say the least.

Bad beat? I'm thinking so....
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Re: Bad Beat? You be the judge..., ScanX, 31. Dec 2003 05:40
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Hi,

a question a bit off-topic :

how do you calculate the fact that you were 4:1 favourite on the turn ?

I'm a new player and read such thing in Lee Jones book I couldn't understand how he made such calculation.

Thanx

PS : with my little experience I would still say it's a bad beat...you reading him perfectly you couldn't possibly think he would call that turn bet.

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Re: Bad Beat? You be the judge..., WhamBam, 31. Dec 2003 06:34
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He had 9 outs (the nine remaining spades) putting him at about 4:1 against him making the flush. Logically, that means that I'm a 4:1 favorite to win the hand.
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Re: Bad Beat? You be the judge..., megapopular, 12. Feb 2004 07:22
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not really... he had flush draw... had about 3.5-1 chance of hitting nut flush... pot odds were kinda bad for him... but not a terrible beat
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