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 that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, Andrew W, 30. Dec 2003 10:42 | ||
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| A couple days ago, I posted for advice about a hand in a NLHE tourney where I lost to a draw. I flopped trips from the BB, an overpair bet hard, I bet back and was all in, and he caught his river for a boat. Last night, I busted out of two tourneys, one multi-table, one SNG, in similar fashion. In one, I was charged some chips to draw to my flush, but I could afford it. I made it on the turn, and came back at the aggrsssor, we went all in. He has a set. And of course, paired the board on the river for the boat. In the other hand, I was the one with the made set, and someone drew to a flush. Here's the thing: I know that "in the long run" playing the made hand versus the drawers will pay off. But in tournament, gone is gone. And online, there are so many players, I can't possibly play enough to say "well that guy will make my tournament down the road." Enough monkeys with typewriters may write Hamlet, but I don't have that many monkeys typewriters or tournament buy-ins. Since online NL games tend to have all-in-itis, it's obvious too many players are all in on draws 2nd best hands. And the odds to draw aren't worth the risk. But they do it anyway. So I think I need to tighten up and not let myself go all-in against a draw, because they hit them too much. On the S&P board, someone asked about laying down KK against a str8 draw in a SNG, and the responses were favorable for it. Basically, I'm tired of the "right move" getting outdrawn in EVERY tournament. On the other hand, if I can't play what is at the time the best hand, what business do I have playing at all? Anyone have any thoughts reactions or wisdom for my dilemma? | ||
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| Re: that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, cargov, 30. Dec 2003 11:31 | ||
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| I feel your pain. It has occurred to me that while usually you would love to go into the turn all-in as a 4-1 favorite. Yet in many of the tourneys I play (and, it sounds like the ones you play) you might get called five times as a 4-1 favorites. That means the odds are against you. One of those five times your opponent is going to hit their draw and you will be done. I say you are right. Play tight in the tourneys until you get to a point where those still in typically won't make the really bad call. | ||
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| Re: that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, starstealer, 30. Dec 2003 11:36 | ||
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| Sounds to me like you need to take a break. Take a week and look at your hand histories from the past few months (or more if you've got them). Find all of the situations where you've had the best hand and lost on the river and all of the situations where you've had the best hand and won. Same for 2nd best or worse hands and won and lost. Take the time to reexamine your play. You should see that in the long run, these plays are netting you a profit. If you can't see a profit in them, maybe the break should be more or less permanent. Even in tournaments, you have to look at the long run just because it is a long shot to begin with. Hope that's the wisdom you were looking for. | ||
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| Re: that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, Smokey27, 30. Dec 2003 11:55 | ||
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| Then i would want you at my table. If you will lay down the best hand in the fear of a draw you will get run over. So you have had three straight beats by draws so what? Each draw was a 30-40% chance of getting there, you were ahead by more than a coin flip take the beats and dont let them effect you. Would you honestly change how you play by the outcome of three hands? That would be very foolish. It is part of the game to lose that way, in fact, if you get knocked out of a tourney when you had the advantage when you got your chips in then take that as a positive. If you refuse to get your chips in when you have the best hand when are you going to do it? How often does a mortal lock hand come about? And when it does the deck is usually so crippled that no one has enogh of a hand to call you. Where would it end would you lay down quads if there is a posible str8 flush? | ||
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| Re: that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, thatpfunk, 1. Jan 2004 01:17 | ||
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| read sklansky on tournaments, he explains why it is necessary to alter tourney play from live play. | ||
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| Re: that's it: I'm tighening up like a snare drum, JeffMW, 3. Jan 2004 12:32 | ||
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| It doesn't seem right laying down an overpair against a straight draw. The drawer only has eight cards out of the remaining 28 that help him (this doesn't count the also unfortunate chance he pairs each of his cards). You are the overwhelming favorite here. | ||
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