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 I LOST the tournament!, Quark, 29. Dec 2003 15:11 | ||
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| I feel like such a boob. First, I must say thanks to everyone who gave me advice and encouragement last week (in response to my post: "High Stakes Tourney advice for Newbie"). For those who don't remember, I had won a satellite multitable tourney on PartyPoker in which I gained entry to a $200+15 multitable Limit Holdem tournament last Friday in which the grand prize was something like $36,000. (70th place gets you over $500). So I studied and practiced and tried to absorb as much as I could so I could place at least 70th in a field of about 880. Well, Friday rolled around. I had everything all set up. Enough soda and chips to last me into the wee hours... music set, starting hand chart on the table in front of me, and Mike Caro's blackboard wisdom ingrained in my head. Far into the second hour of the tourney... I'm not doing too badly. I'm playing the bare minimum of hands, although I've stolen some blinds, and won a couple of medium sized pots along the way. With a starting chip count of 1000, I had slowly and deliberately amassed about 4600 chips... constantly telling myself not to chase anything... if the flop doesn't fit... FOLD. People are dropping like flies. My table is still basically intact, and my opponents seem to be a combination of decent tight players and a couple who will play far too many odd starting hands like A3 offsuit from any position. So the blinds are up to 600/1200 and the big blind comes around to me. My 4600 chips turns to 4000, and I'm dealt QcJc. Not bad... The guy on the button bets; with one other caller, I put in my 600 to see the flop. Flop comes Qs Js Jh. This is it, I'm thinking. Woudn't you know it? I've flopped a full house! Repeating to myself the mantra "Fit or Fold" . . . nice fit, I'm thinking. As the big blind I'm first to act and I play it cool... I check... the other guy checks. Again, button man bets, I call and the other guy calls. So my stack is at 2800 just like that, and three of us are going to see the turn card. The turn card is 2s. Another spade! Okay, I'm thinking... I got this one.... With three spades out there, one of these two bozos may have their flush and I beat him with a full house. Sucks to have those second best hands, eh, buddy?? I can hardly contain myself. I think to myself... If I can win this pot, I can COAST and fold for another hour and win some cash-ola! My mind is racing. My wife will get off my case for playing online poker on a Friday night, and I'll tell the unitedpokerforum crew how a newbie managed to place in a high-stakes tourney. I bet, bringing my stack to 1600. This time the other guy folds. Button man calls my bet. So it's down to me and button man. River is a 7h. I am coo-de-la. I check, and now Button man bets 1200. I'm thinking to myself what good is a stinking 400 chips when the blinds are so high, so instead of merely calling his bet, I push all in for a raise. He shows me QhQd. He beat me with a better full house!! (Sucks to have those second best hands, eh, buddy??) I curse the sky. I place something like 420 in a field of 880. Not bad, but if I would have won that pot, I could have COASTED in for some dough. What's worse, is that some numbnutz at our table who FAILED to show up to the tournament (and consequently folded every hand) BEAT ME by placing in the high 300s. I couldn't even beat a folding dummy. Distraught, I am taking a break from the game for a bit. I obviously have a lot to learn if I am to be even a moderately successful poker player. So, that's my story... Does anyone have any commentary? I know I have a lot to learn about betting, especially in tourney situations where survival is the key. How would you have played this hand differently? | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, jokeheads, 29. Dec 2003 15:20 | ||
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| At some point along the line I might have guessed he had QQ because he bet a lot so often... The way I play poker, I try to assume the other guy has beaten me until proven otherwise. I probably would have stayed in just like you because the odds are so slim 1:1325 but hey, it could happen. Also, you need to consider at what point in the tourny it is. If you are about to place you should fold i.e. 75 people left. At this point though, you took a chance...a gamble if you will...thats what poker is about. This time you just got unlucky. Opinion: Nicely played. Better luck next time. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, Flakes, 29. Dec 2003 15:32 | ||
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| The way you play poker is to assume that your opponent has you beat until proven otherwise??? Why is that? Doesn't that cause you to play scared and to miss bets or good opportunities to steal, etc? Look at this hand here. Quark is holding QJ, the flop comes up Q-J-J, and you thought that there was a good possibility that his opponent had QQ just because he was betting so much? Come on, If you can't feel great about a flop like that, then I'm sorry, you are playing too scared. There's nothing wrong with playing tight, but there is a world of difference from playing solid and tight and scared tight. Just my opinion. Flakes | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 15:55 | ||
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| You did the best you could man, I cannot possibly see how you cannot go broke here. Tough break, GL in the future. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, KevinK, 31. Dec 2003 01:40 | ||
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| I don't think he's playing scared, he is just looking for worst case scenario. There is nothing wrong with that except you can end up folding the winner to someone overplaying a weaker hand. I take the opposite approach. This will come as bizarre, but I try to figure out not what they have but what they don't have. By figuring that out, I can figure out what is there. I've got ADD if that makes sense. I'm not schizophrenic; the 6 other people in my head told me so. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 15:56 | ||
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| FOLD?!?!?!?!?, you suggest folding??? wow | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, ScanX, 30. Dec 2003 01:14 | ||
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| Are you kidding or what ? What hand do you need on the flop to do not fold then ? AKQJT suited ? I'm a really new poker player (I don't even play NL yet) but I can safely say that Quark played it ok without fearing the poker gurus in here to flame me. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, Big_Slick, 29. Dec 2003 18:13 | ||
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| High stake tourneys and starting hand charts are a bad combination. None the less, getting your boat beat was a rough way to exit. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, Quark, 30. Dec 2003 09:33 | ||
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| on 29. Dec 2003 18:13 Big_Slick wrote: > High stake tourneys and starting hand charts are a bad combination. Why?? When the field is still large, it isn't a good strategy before the flop to play the tourney similarly to (and maybe a bit tighter than) a ring game? Please explain why you are implying that starting hand charts are useless in an online game. | ||
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| Re: I LOST the tournament!, HIGAVIN, 21. Jan 2004 11:18 | ||
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| The odds that a higher boat will beat you are there but they are so remote that I doubt anyone else would have played this hand much different. Considering the BB's betting, I might assume a high pair (AA KK, QQ JJ is out, 3 of those are in play. Only QQ would beat you but how often do you flop a full boat? It's so easy to set here days later and say what you would have done knowing the ending but I would have bet the stack and laughed about the outcome. Bad Beats are a fact of life. Don't use this as an excuse not to play, you have one of the best bad beat stories around, tell it with pride. Imagine if you were someone who paid the $215.00 in cash for the seat and went out in the high to mid 70's ? You should only gamble while you are enjoying yourself. If it stops being fun then take a break but don;t let what is a common experience ruin a great pastime for you. Bottom line, I don't see you did anything wrong, you just got beat by a better hand. Only 9 people make it to the final table at the WSOP, look how many are amateurs each year. Look how many high profile pros leave out of the money. You're in good company. | ||
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