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 Find my mistakes...NL, iceman5, 29. Dec 2003 13:29 | ||
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| Here are hands I played recently. Let me know where my mistakes are. Im playing NL .10/.25 blinds $25 max buy in. #1) I open raise for $1 from MP with AQ of hearts. I get one caller (blinds fold). The flop comes all rags. Something like 863 with one heart. The pot is $2.35. I figure the flop missed him also so I fire $1.50 at him. He calls. The turn is a ten of hearts. He probably has either 2 high cards or a medium pair. Since I now have the nut flush draw I fire $5 hoping he'll fold but have my flush draw just in case. He calls again. The river doesnt help me. I figure Im beat and he'll call again so I check. He checks and won with 99. Did I make any mistakes? I really dont think so but would like other opinions. #2) I have AT. There are 2 limpers to me. I limp. One more limper and the BB plays. The flop is 5 way. The flop is TT3. Its checked to me. Now I am pretty aggressive and almost always bet the flop if I raised preflop, but I decide to check here hoping I can trap someone on the turn. Its checked around. The turn is another 3. Its checked to me again and I bet $1 into the pot which I believe is $1.35. Its folded around to the limper on my right who calls. The turn is a J (TT33). He now bets $1. I though that was strange but it didnt bother me. I raised $4. He reraised $7 more. I called because we were going to split anyway. He turns over JJ and wins with the higher boat. Now although I kind of allowed this to happen by trying to slowplay, he still got very lucky to hit his 2 outer. What was even more lucky for him was the fact that I thought I had the nuts and missed the fact that JJ would beat me (33 would also). Am I the only one who didnt see the JJ coming? This was my first losing session in the past 2 weeks and all because of my hand #2 blunder. Man oh man..... | ||
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| Re: Find my mistakes...NL, Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 13:55 | ||
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| starting with your third question.... I definately did not put him on JJ when I first read your post, I thought he slow played a J 10... why would he limp with jacks. Is he a very tight player that would limp with jacks UTG???? im confused by that. your first hand, AQ, flop brings 8 high rags. You raised pre-flop, so you did the correct thing by betting the flop. (most times your A high is best anyway, so I like your bet), what puzzles me is why he didnt raise, there arent too many times when you can get clouds (my name for 9's..... cloud 9... lol) and flop brings nothing but undercards... Ok turn brings you a second heart on a ten high board, I think by your $5 bet you are giving him incorrect odds to draw to overcards, so when he calls that you have to think your beat (unless this guy is pressumably a calling station). Now the river brings yet another rag... I think checking here is just giving him a chance to bluff and steal the pot if he was on a draw, so this is where your knowledge of what type of hands the guy plays come into mind... if you think he would chase a draw with incorrect odds, bet the river let him fold, dont check it to him and let him bluff a busted str8 or flush draw. If he is a solid player go ahead and check it to him, maybe you will get checked back. | ||
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| Re: Find my mistakes...NL, Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 13:57 | ||
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| I didnt see where you posted that you thought he would call. If you thought that then you did the correct thing by checking. | ||
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| Re: Find my mistakes...NL, shorn, 30. Dec 2003 06:27 | ||
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| These hands are tough because it is a close call in each case as to the correct play and most of that depends on how well you know your opponent. So, I don't think any of us can tell you if you played wrong per se; rather, maybe offer alternative ways to have played the hand. I would likely have checked the turn on the first hand for a few reasons. First, you have shown aggression twice in the hand with a 4x BB raise preflop and a close to pot-sized bet on the rag flop. Both times, this opponent called you. This could mean one of three things: he is a bad player who is calling with the best hand and not raising you; second, he has overcards too and doesn't believe you (unlikely because most players with AK would have raised you somewhere); or third, he has the best hand and is either trapping or has a hand like he had (middle overpair, Jacks or lower) and is not sure if he is ahead, but is too timid to raise. The reason I would check is that your AQs is NOT a hand that you want to make the decision with to call a re-raise for all of your chips. If he had raised you a significant amount on the turn, you would have had to muck. Add that to the fact that you have a great draw with potentially 15 outs (9 hearts, 3 Queens and 3 Aces) and you want to see the river. So, taking the free card might have been the better play. The seond hand is a tough one too. I might have led at that flop as most players won't lead with top trips so you might have been called by a worse hand. Then, if you lead again when the board double pairs, he might lay fown his Jacks which saves you the pot. The argument an be made to slowplay here because it is unlikely that he will hit. But the main problem I have with that is can you win a significant amount of money if he doesn't hit? Probably not...the only cards that could come to keep him interested beat you, so it might be better to take the pot by leading twice. | ||
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| Re: Find my mistakes...NL, Aisthesis, 30. Dec 2003 10:04 | ||
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| Well, I probably would have just ended up losing more money on these hands than you did, but here are my suggested differences: 1) I would have bet full pot on the flop at least, possibly backing off on the turn after getting called on the flop. I think it was correct checking the river. Depending on player, I would definitely have bet the flop a little harder, but I would have considered checking the turn. He did have to reckon with the possibility of your having a higher overpair than his. The consolation on the turn is the flush draw, which might have again warranted a pot-sized bet, but you only have one card to draw to your flush. So I would only suggest it if you thought there was a good possibility of his folding at that stage. 2) Really, I agree here with your self-assessment. I don't think slowplaying the flop was a good idea (too many possible draws that could hurt you--particularly any pocket pair, on which you're giving a free card, but also 98 and KQ become attractive if a J shows up). I would have definitely bet pot there. Again, the net result of my play probably would have been worse... only the chance that he might have folded on the flop. If he was still in and bet heavily when the J showed up, it would have been a difficult decision--hard to get away from the tens, but I do think JJ would have been something to consider, as well as 33 or JT or possibly 98 or KQ. Post-flop, I don't know exactly how I would have played it--it would depend a lot on my assessment of the players and the way they bet back at me. | ||
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| Re: Find my mistakes...NL, Blade, 4. Jan 2004 23:42 | ||
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| I think while not putting him on JJ, J10 would have been mt first thought which beats you anyways (TTTJJ v. TTT33). Therefore I just call or fold to the reraise. -May the bridges I burn light my way -Blade | ||
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