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 Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., Eman, 29. Dec 2003 12:29 | ||
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| I just started playing omaha8 limit games of .50/1 1/2 and 2/4 and have done well mainly because of the loose tables and my tight game. I dont feel comfortable enough to enter pots with marginal hands. I decided to play in a cheap $5 Pot Limit Omaha8 tourney on UB last night with about 200 players. Top 19 paid. I wasnt too concerned about placing in the money, just wanted some experience. I have never played pot limit omaha only limit. Here are some plays that i need critisism on. I was playing extremely tight. I didnt get any decent starting hand in the first hour. I lost a pretty big pot with A356 single suited with the A, I made the nut flush and had the nut low on the turn, but got bricked on the river and someone else made a fullboat. UGH...im down to about 500. Folded to me preflop and im on the Button with AA78 single suited. I raise the pot and the BB comes over the top and bets the pot at me. I know I have weak hand, but this player was absolutely clueless, he played and raised everyhand. If I play this hand itll be for almost my whole stack, So i reraise the pot and all in. Was this stupid? He shows KK23 double suited. no low came and i win. KK46 double suited. I have about 1000 in chips. 4 limpers to me and im on the cutoff, I limp as well (should i limp or fold, i have no clue). Flop comes K 9 A with the 9 and A of my suite for a nut flush draw. Theres a small bet and a call in front of me, i bet the pot. My thinking I doubt anyone has AA, figured i have top set with a nut flush draw. Didnt want Low players drawing for cheap. Is the pot bet too high? sould i call, raise less, fold? i dont know. I had one caller. Turn was a 4 completing my nut flush, bet the other player all in. Figuring he has a low draw and maybe A9 or something like that. He calls and has 9923. River is a 10 and i take down the whole pot. Later after the first break. I have about 1800 in chips, right around the average, with about 90 players left. I get dealt AA26 single suited. Im UTG and raise preflop. Is that a good play or not? again i have no clue?. I get two callers. Flop is K 3 8, with a flush draw on board, not mine. Im first to act and bet about 200 into a 1000 pot. Again? what should i do? i get called in both spots. Turn is a 6, no flush yet. I have the nut low. How much should i bet out? i dont know? I wanted to bet the pot to give incorrect odds for any type of draw with that ragged board, there is no made hand yet for a flush or straight. Is that smart thinking? I dont know? i bet out 500 and get called in one spot the river is an ugly 2 and I lose the whole pot!! ugh.. !!! Should i have bet the pot on the turn? Later on im dealt AA10J in the BB single suited. I have about 700 in chips and close to last place. Blinds were 150/300. I know I only have a high hand. but i raised and was reraised Allin preflop and called. I ended up in 30 something place... is my thinking and plays correct. I know these were just a few examples. but any any thoughts and comments appreciated. | ||
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| Re: Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., starstealer, 29. Dec 2003 12:57 | ||
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| I don't usually play PL, but I'll do my best to answer the questions below: on 29. Dec 2003 12:29 Eman wrote: > Folded to me preflop and im on the Button with AA78 single suited. I raise the > pot and the BB comes over the top and bets the pot at me. I know I have weak > hand, but this player was absolutely clueless, he played and raised everyhand. > If I play this hand itll be for almost my whole stack, So i reraise the pot and > all in. Was this stupid? He shows KK23 double suited. no low came and i win. I would avoid this situation if possible. This is a tough limping hand because you can count on a low and even if you make a set, you'll be splitting for low. If high cards come, then your AA is going to get beat. I just don't like the hand. If it was double suited, it has more merit, but if you don't flop a flush or draw to flush, you're better off getting out. I would not go all in pre-flop in any case. > > KK46 double suited. I have about 1000 in chips. 4 limpers to me and im on the > cutoff, I limp as well (should i limp or fold, i have no clue). > Flop comes K 9 A with the 9 and A of my suite for a nut flush draw. > Theres a small bet and a call in front of me, i bet the pot. My thinking I > doubt anyone has AA, figured i have top set with a nut flush draw. Didnt want > Low players drawing for cheap. Is the pot bet too high? sould i call, raise > less, fold? i dont know. I had one caller. > Turn was a 4 completing my nut flush, bet the other player all in. Figuring he > has a low draw and maybe A9 or something like that. > He calls and has 9923. River is a 10 and i take down the whole pot. Lucky that you took down the whole pot, but remember, this hand is attrocious. You can't expect a low from it; the high is easily beaten if an A comes off on the flop. Better to get away from it in the first place. > > Later after the first break. I have about 1800 in chips, right around the > average, with about 90 players left. I get dealt AA26 single suited. Im UTG and > raise preflop. Is that a good play or not? again i have no clue?. I get two > callers. > Flop is K 3 8, with a flush draw on board, not mine. > Im first to act and bet about 200 into a 1000 pot. Again? what should i do? i > get called in both spots. > Turn is a 6, no flush yet. I have the nut low. How much should i bet out? i > dont know? I wanted to bet the pot to give incorrect odds for any type of draw > with that ragged board, there is no made hand yet for a flush or straight. Is > that smart thinking? I dont know? i bet out 500 and get called in one spot the > river is an ugly 2 and I lose the whole pot!! ugh.. !!! Should i have bet the > pot on the turn? I like the raise pre-flop and I don't see how you can get away from it before the river. However, recognize that the A2 is able to be counterfeited - is not indestructable. Either push people out by betting out stronger (200 into a 1000 pot doesn't see too strong to me - but like I said, I don't play PL much) or check - you can't expect to take high with AA on that board and with 2 pair on the river, you'd have to fold to any bet (you didn't say what the action was). > > Later on im dealt AA10J in the BB single suited. I have about 700 in chips and > close to last place. Blinds were 150/300. I know I only have a high hand. but i > raised and was reraised Allin preflop and called. This is another hand without enough features - AATJ is a fine hand in late position for a small bet, single suited is better and double suited is best. You shouldn't raise with it without a flop - if it comes all low, you are in bad shape. Call the blinds and see a flop for cheap and see where you are at. If you miss, depending on the texture, you might be able to bluff the low cards, but I prefer check-folding if I miss completely with this hand. Remember, in order to hit the straight, you need some combination of KQ, Q9 or 89 on the flop to realistically continue. If the flop comes with a 78, you are better to survive and fold. | ||
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| Re: Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 13:38 | ||
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| Starstealer, I agree with you on most points, except for where you said you would have get away from the A K 9 flop. Eman has a set of K's (very likely the best hand) and the nut flush draw, this is very strong, the only way I could toss this is if my opp. gave the obvious read of AA. | ||
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| Re: Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., Flakes, 29. Dec 2003 13:56 | ||
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| What starstealer is suggesting, is that a holding such as KK46 should not even get involved before the flop. I agree with that also, especially seeing that he is not that comfortable with the hand as it is. That can cause him to misplay the hand after the flop. So until he's a little bit more experienced, I would recommend tighter preflop play. Flakes | ||
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| Re: Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., Highflyin3484k, 29. Dec 2003 14:18 | ||
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| Oh ok, now there I agree, but after the flop its a little harder to get away from | ||
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| Re: Players with Omaha8 experience, please critique my thinking and play., Flakes, 29. Dec 2003 14:26 | ||
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| Yes, I agree with that also - postflop his hand is playable; not just for the set of kings, but for the draw to the nut flush as well. Flakes | ||
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