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 Playing against a raising fool, iceman5, 27. Dec 2003 12:49 | ||
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| I was playing NL $25 buy in (blinds .10/.25) last night. There was a guy sitting 2 to my right that raised every hand. Im not talking about raising all of his playable hands. I mean he raised every single hand. His raises were all between $1.50 and $4 (with those small blinds). Like you would expect, he would bet the flop big no matter what the flop was. The hands he had to show were A3, 34s, 22, K7s, and A4s. When I sat down he had $12. Before I found a hand to play he had $90. It was obvious that he was raising with junk, but the other players werent very good and would call his raise and then fold to his flop bet. I knew I could beat him but it was still very annoying. One hand he raised $2. I had QQ. I reraised $5. He called which didnt surprise me. The flop came J75. He bet $12 and I went all in. He called and I beat his K7s. He lost a few more hands and left the table with about $40. I had been antagonizing him a bit in chat trying to get him to leave. Not because I couldnt beat him, but because the other players were pretty bad and they wouldnt play because of him. Obviously I did well in this one hand against him, but is there any other viable strategy against a goon like this? And where would you want him to be sitting? I think I was sitting just about in the right spot. | ||
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| Re: Playing against a raising fool, LKP, 27. Dec 2003 13:39 | ||
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| Those people are great. The key to beating them is just not to play their game. First, poker is not a team sport. I know it may get under your skin when such a maniacal player is making money, but don't let it get to you. This is not a game about seeing justice done, it is a game about you winning money. Generally, these super-maniacs fit into two categories: those who will bet and call with anything, and those who make aggressive bets but fold respectfully to reraising. That's an important classificaion to make, because it's going to determine the basic fundamentals of your counter-strategy. If he is a calling station (and from your post, I believe this is what he is), sit back and wait for a good hand, call, and then hope that the flop complements your hand. If it doesn't, you can just bail. Why? Because the 3 bucks you've invested to see the flop is going to be easily made back when you do hit. If he's the second type who is going to fold to a reraise, then obviously you should choose appropriate times to reraise. A lot of players will vary in their calling-station-ness, so some will fold preflop while others will only fold after the flop, others only after the turn, etc. You also might want to wait for a rainbow flop with not a lot of straight draw potential, because a lot of those maniacs tend to be draw-aholics. As far as you wanting to drive him away, you can either leave yourself (like I said, there's no reason for you to stick around to see that justice was done), or you can be like me and LOVE these players. I was at a really boring party the other night at my friend's house, when a bunch of drunks started talking about playing some "high-stakes" poker. My ears perked up, and we brought out the money and the cards. These two drunk guys were INSANE. They weren't just maniacs, they honestly didn't know how to play. They would hardly ever fold. I had AT, flop came 10 10 J. I went all-in, the two drunks called. One had a QK, the other had 66. Turn was a blank. River was a 6. They started congratulating me and shoveling the pot towards me talking about my three tens beating three sixes, but I was honest and shoveled the 80+ dollars back to the idiot drunk. I bought back in knowing I was going to win a bundle. My friend had pocket K's, the flop came K55. My friend went all-in, and the drunk called him with a 46! Another friend of mine had a QJ. Flop was 4QJ. My friend went all-in, the idiot drunk who busted me earlier with 66 called. The drunk turned over K5! Turn was a K. River was a K. The drunk at this point had a fairly sizeable stack. I just folded and folded and folded, watching the drunks bet and raise and bet and raise, taking down pots with high card after high card. I don't even know why we bothered turning over community cards. Anyway, the point is that I was licking my chops, not fearing their play. Sometimes I would plop down 2 or 3 bucks to see a flop, miss, and fold. But when I did get that dream flop, man I got paid off! I kept reinforcing their play everytime. They were there to gamble. They kept talking about going to dollar antes instead of .25/.50 blinds. They kept asking if we wanted to switch to playing dice. Everytime they called on a draw, I would compliment their play. ESPECIALLY if they actually made the draw. "All it takes is that one card, man - and you got a STRONG hand." I came with 25 bucks, lost it on the 66 bad beat, bought back in, and walked away with over 100 dollars. | ||
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