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 Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, jag3398, 26. Dec 2003 19:09 | ||
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| Im in a very small cash game with about 8 people. I have about 15 dollars when the buy in was 10. I get dealt Ace Jack offsuit. 5 people call and im button. I raise a dollar. The person before me calls and so does UTG. The flop is 2 2 10 rainbow UTG and person before check. I bet 2 bux to steal the pot. UTG folds and person before me raises me 2. I call and get an ace on the turn. He raises 3 I call. The river is a rag 7 rainbow. He raises 5. I debate about calling and finally do after surcumming to table pressure. I say show me your 3rd 2. He does he has Q 2 offsuit and beats top pair. Hes so stupid. Just a pure stupid ass calling station. What do I do to beat someone who calls wit Q 2 and gets a set. | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, Schuster, 26. Dec 2003 22:50 | ||
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| Maybe you should consider folding when he tells you very openly with his betting that you are beaten? Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, SmallFeesh, 27. Dec 2003 02:41 | ||
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| with a low limit game like that your not going to get anyone out who is determined to see the flop | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, Blade, 27. Dec 2003 04:41 | ||
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| ummm, dude you were the calling station on that hand. Whether or not your stupid I will leave up to those to who know you best. How do you beat that player. Try not paying him off when he makes his occassional hand first off. -May the bridges I burn light my way -Blade | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, 4 POKER, 27. Dec 2003 06:37 | ||
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| Hi- Let's look at the entire playout of the hand, from beginning to end. But let's focus on your play. (forget about the Q-2 guy for just a moment - he made a bad call preflop, that much is certain - but the postflop play, his and yours, is what needs to be addressed, as well). You raise preflop with A-J offsuit on the button. (not a powerhouse hand by any means, but it can be a profitable hand and it can also work in your favor for postflop play). Especially when everyone cooperates! You didn't receive a good flop when it came up 10-2-2, but when they all checked it you, you bet. You bet because you were trying to buy the pot, which is acceptable. (but it failed). You were then check-raised. RIGHT there is decision time for you. You made the decision to call him opposed to just cutting your lossess. My question to you is, why did you call him on the flop? (just think about it for a moment)........ Did you call because you felt that if you were to hit one of your cards, that it would be good? If that was indeed your reasoning for doing so, then why didn't you raise him on the turn when the Ace fell, or at the very least, feel good enough about making a call - and why such reluctancy all of a sudden in paying him off on the river when he made another bet? Did the river card really change anything? Meaning, The 7 looks like an innocent enough card to me, but you thought that he had you beat with three dueces. Which reverts right back to the decisions that you made on the flop, and the turn for that matter. You called his checkraise on the flop, but in my honest opinion jag, I don't think you knew why you were calling. (but I would welcome you to disagree with any of the comments I just gave because I think by delving into this a little bit further, could only be a good thing :) 4P- | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, SmallFeesh, 27. Dec 2003 08:58 | ||
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| I do agree with everyone else... It was stupid for him to call preflop.. 102... Wow.. What a piece of cheese! And I agree AJ isn't a powerhouse.. But it can benefit you to raise in good position with it every here and there.. But you have to think... He check raised.. He must have a strong hand to check raise.. Unless he was check raise bluffing... but I doubt he has skill enough to check raise bluff... so was he check raising with a pair of 10's?? HIGHLY doubtful!.. So he must have trip deuces! Now Q2 wouldn't come to mind... But A2 suited would! Could he have A2 suited? Yes... most definitely... He could even have pocket 10's... so to call him on the flop meant that you felt that if you hit one of your cards you would be good... but when you hit the ace you didn't wake up and start betting and raising! So you weren't that sure that your hand was good! So you KNEW he had a deuce! But you were upset he had a deuce... wanted to see the deuce... paid to see the deuce! If I went to try and steal the blinds and got check raised I would fold em' quick! But everything is always 20/20 in hindsight... I've made the same blunderous mistakes before! And I still make them all the time! But poker is learning... every time we sit at the table... NO ONE makes perfect decisions ALL the time.. not Hellmuth, Flack, Brunson, nor our good ole' host Roy Cooke! P.S. Roy... some day.. mabey not soon.. but some day I will see you at that "rammin' and jammin'" 30-60 game at the Bellagio! When you see a guy in a "Siena Golf Club" hat... you can say Look! Its a Feesh! | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, Aisthesis, 27. Dec 2003 11:07 | ||
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| I agree pretty much with all the other comments here but would also suggest a careful re-evaluation of the player in question. I have seen several players who seem to make money with calls like that pre-flop--due to situations just like the one you describe. Would he have check-raised you without the 2 or at least the T? Would he have called your flop bet even if he still had nothing? Against calling stations in general the strategy is fairly straightforward: Only bet when you have a winning hand. Calling stations do have the advantage of drawing a lot of cards (for which they of course also have to pay the price), so to beat them you really have to recognize immediately when they hit their draws and just go ahead and fold before putting any more in the pot. While I may be way off basing a profile of your opponent on just one hand, I actually wouldn't (solely on the basis of play here) classify this person as "bad bad calling station and terrible player." I'd just classify the person as extremely loose with a tendency to checkraise often. | ||
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| Re: Bad Bad Calling Station and Terrible Player, Flakes, 27. Dec 2003 12:30 | ||
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| "Bad Bad Calling Station And Terrible Player" Who was the bad player preflop? Well the Q2 player of course! But how was he the "bad, bad calling station and terrible player" postflop? He flopped trips and he checkraised you, and then he proceeded to bet into you the rest of the way. How does that classify him as a "stupid ass calling station"? Just curious. In my opinion, you played wimpy poker. Sorry, but that's how I see it. You call his checkraise on the flop and then you spike your top pair ace on the turn which is the best card that you could hope for and you just call, and then you were even contemplating folding on the river for one more bet heads up when a rag fell. Well why did you call his checkraise on the flop then? Did you feel that you "had to" because afterall, you were the one who raised it coming in? I feel that you should reevaluate the ENTIRE hand and stop dwelling on the fact that he played Q2 while you had AJ. He played his hand beautifully postflop! We already know that his preflop call was poor, but for some odd reason you are just ignoring the postflop play. This situation does not even fit into the "bad beat" category - you had the lead for a brief moment and that was preflop only. You were just mad because he played a bad hand and then he nailed you with it. Happens all the time! But you should be glad that he would play such junk. I'd be! Flakes | ||
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