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 Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, mkpoker, 23. Dec 2003 17:54 | ||
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| Have been working very hard NOT to miss bets on the river and have seen definite improvement. I checked the river on these two hands with what turned out to be the best cards. Looking back, I still think checking was right...what do you think? We're at 3/6 Kill HE online. These players are horrible. I've seen them call with nothing and fold their hands SHOWING "tough laydowns" that were probably ahead. HAND 1: From MP, I open raise with KK. Cutoff and OTB call, blinds fold. Flop comes 2c3c7h. I bet and all call. Turn is 4c, completing the flush draw. I bet, cutoff raises, button calls. I seriously contemplate folding for a moment but call. River is 5d, giving any A the wheel straight. I check. All check. Cutoff holds KdJh (he raised the turn with this!) Button holds JcJs. HAND 2: From LP, I'm dealt A9o. UTG (Mr. KJ from above) limps. All fold to me and I raise. Only UTG and BB call, so I'm in position. Flop comes QhKd9d. Two checks to me. I bet, only UTG calls. Turn is 2c. UTG checks; I bet, he calls. River is 3c, a blank. UTG checks. I can't put UTG on a hand, but it's hard to imagine there's a worse hand he'd call with (remember, I have only 3rd pair). I check. He shows AT. Curious...would anyone have bet the river on these hands? | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, iceman5, 23. Dec 2003 18:26 | ||
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| I cant see how you could possibly bet the river on hand #1. Not folding when raised at the turn has caused me some problems recenty and I may have grudgingly folded right there. On hand 2, why would you raise preflop with A9? Was it because the loose aggressive guy from hand 1 was the limper? Anyway, I cant see how you could bet that river either. | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, mkpoker, 23. Dec 2003 19:50 | ||
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| on 23. Dec 2003 18:26 iceman5 wrote: why would you raise preflop with A9? Was it because the loose aggressive > guy from hand 1 was the limper? Anyway, I cant see how you could bet that river > either. That's a fair question. Against tough competition I might have folded, but in this case, I raised pre-flop for 4 main reasons: 1) I desperately wanted to get heads up with this terrible player, since he often made mistakes post-flop. 2) Even if I couldn't get heads-up, I wanted to "buy the button" to ensure good position for the rest of the hand (I was two seats off the button); 3) I figured I was probably ahead (wrongly). Since most players would raise AQ, AK, AA, and TT-AA, I figured his most likely holdings were Axs, middle pairs, or most probably two non-ace high cards like KQ, KJ, or QJ. I figured I could only be way behind to AJ, or AT (which he had...I got lucky on the flop); and 4) For a reason unique to this player, which I didn't post in my original message--he had shown a tendency to limp out-of-position with low and middle pairs and then fold to a bet if he didn't hit a set. On an earlier hand, he limped UTG and two limpers followed. The flop came J62 rainbow. He checked and folded to a single bet, showing 77. I remember it so clearly because I thought both his check and his fold were horrible plays (and showing his hand was downright idiotic). So I raised to represent a stronger hand than I actually held. I would have bet any flop had he checked, hoping he held a pair and I could get him to lay it down...even though he would have been ahead. | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, oboy, 23. Dec 2003 19:57 | ||
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| On Hand 2, I don't think you missed a bet. When he missed his straight draw, he would have folded if you had bet. It would be a mistake to bet in this situation, anyone with a worst hand then you would fold. And you might be faced with a check raise if they make a hand. | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, Schuster, 24. Dec 2003 01:16 | ||
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| Betting in the first hand is borderline maniacal with two opponents in there with you. The second hand is a definate check as well. Good play on both. Lee | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, shorn, 24. Dec 2003 04:54 | ||
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| Good checks. On the first hand, I never bet the river when there are two completed draws to the board. If raised, you have to fold so why not play for free? More often than not if you are called when you bet, you will lose. Second hand: Once he calls the turn, I think you have to check the river here. He easily could have a Queen, so it isn't worth your money. | ||
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| Re: Missing Bets on the River?...2 hands, grant pittman, 24. Dec 2003 09:12 | ||
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| No.....GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| I'm with Grant, Easy E, 26. Dec 2003 10:22 | ||
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| unless you would have expected calls from losing hands on the river bet.... AND often enough to make up for the times that you are beaten. | ||
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