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 Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, noiseboy, 23. Dec 2003 11:43 | ||
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| Hello all, I'm interested in starting a discussion about Superaggressor strategy, which was sparked by a recent thread on rgp titled "stealing with trash". I would say that one of the main ideas of this strategy is that whenever your opponent is weak, or in the case of several opponents when they are all weak, your only correct course of action is aggression to win the pot. The main thing that successful Superaggressors have is that they can smell blood much like a shark. Somehow they sense when a big FOR SALE sign has been put up on a pot, and not just the small pots. Sometimes they are willing to come over you for a big pot with little or nothing when the board gets particularly scary--paired, 4th straigh or flush card for ex.--and they know you have top pair and don't want to risk all your chips to catch a bluff. I'm not sure how much of this is reading of betting patterns, reading of body language, targeting certain weak players, bullying people with smaller stacks, using the leverage of position, etc..., but the successful Superaggressors seem to always have a good read of the situation. They also are very difficult to read themselves because you never know whether they bet because they have a hand, or because you think they are weak. It also makes flops more difficult to calculate because they can show you virtually any two cards when they are trying to steal and hit an accidental flop. Almost any card can be threatening against a Superaggressor as opposed to a tight player who is mostly playing the top portion of the deck. Anyway, I am still fairly new and just experimenting with this style, so I am interested in whatever help and information you can add that can clarify what this style entails, what situations and table conditions make it likely to be successful and perhaps how to defend against it. Pretty much anything you have to add about aggression, position, anything about the nuts and bolts of this style. Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, Snorbolus, 23. Dec 2003 12:19 | ||
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| Noiseboy, A word of caution. In no-limit hold'em it is easy play very aggressive poker and have a fine old time of it; pushing players off of hands and stealing lots of pots. However, if you run into a player who actually has the hand that you are trying to represent it then becomes even easier to loose your whole stack. This only has to happen once and then all of those other pots that you stole won't count for anything. Remember that in no-limit you are playing for your stack (and theirs), not just for what's in the pot right now. Bullying other players and stealing pots are very very important in no-limit hold'em but don't get carried away. Generally I prefer others to think of me as a little weak when I am playing no-limit. I just love it when they bet all-in while I am sitting behind them with the nuts. Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, Snorbolus, 23. Dec 2003 12:57 | ||
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| Bullying people safely (that is to say without risking a big chunk of your stack) is one reason why it is good practice to generally make pot sized bets and raises. That way your opponents will get used to the idea that the bet size is likely to grow exponentially when you are involved with a pot. This allows you to make relatively small bets early on that nevertheless clearly send the message "if you get involved with this pot now, be prepared to put all of your chips into the middle later". Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, noiseboy, 23. Dec 2003 13:05 | ||
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| Yes, this is key. You have to bet exactly the same way when you are bluffing and when you actually have the goods. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, noiseboy, 23. Dec 2003 13:02 | ||
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| Certainly knowing when to back off is essential to be successful at this type of hyper-aggressive play. The trick is that you aren't committed to the pot but because of your aggressive play, the opponent knows that his entire stack is at risk whenever he plays a pot with you. The weak players just tend to avoid you, and you get this force field protecting you of others fear of losing all their chips. When they start checking and calling, then you have to know to back off and when firing another barrell will win you the pot. I think this is the trick, anyone can pick up small pots when everyone seems weak, but when someone plays back at you, knowing when to back off and when to come over the top again separates the men from the boys and the women from the girls. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, Roy Cooke, 23. Dec 2003 13:22 | ||
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| A fast aggressive style is a good style when you have the ability to read your opponents well and have good play knowledge. If you don't have those skills, playing fast can just get you in trouble. So until you acquire the experience to make great decisions...play those marginal hands more toward the conservative side! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 23. Dec 2003 11:43 noiseboy wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm interested in starting a discussion about Superaggressor strategy, which > was sparked by a recent thread on rgp titled "stealing with trash". I would say > that one of the main ideas of this strategy is that whenever your opponent is > weak, or in the case of several opponents when they are all weak, your only > correct course of action is aggression to win the pot. The main thing that > successful Superaggressors have is that they can smell blood much like a shark. > Somehow they sense when a big FOR > SALE sign has been put up on a pot, and not just the small pots. > Sometimes they are willing to come over you for a big pot with little or > nothing when the board gets particularly scary--paired, 4th straigh or > flush card for ex.--and they know you have top pair and don't want to risk all > your chips to catch a bluff. > > I'm not sure how much of this is reading of betting patterns, reading of body > language, targeting certain weak players, bullying people with smaller stacks, > using the leverage of position, etc..., but the successful Superaggressors seem > to always have a good read of the situation. They also are very difficult to > read themselves because you never know whether they bet because they have a > hand, or because you think they are weak. It also makes flops more > difficult to calculate because they can show you virtually any two cards when > they are trying to steal and hit an accidental flop. Almost any card can be > threatening against a Superaggressor as opposed to a tight player who is mostly > playing the top portion of the deck. > > Anyway, I am still fairly new and just experimenting with this style, so I am > interested in whatever help and information you can add that can clarify what > this style entails, what situations and table conditions make it likely to be > successful and perhaps how to defend against it. Pretty much anything you have > to add about aggression, position, anything about the nuts and bolts of this > style. > > Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, noiseboy, 23. Dec 2003 13:36 | ||
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| I'm definitely aware of the dangers, especially the higher fluctuations in bankroll and such. Right now, I'm experimenting with this strategy in small doses when I'm pretty certain I have a good read. In smaller buy-in NL games, it's almost too easy, because a lot of times someone will make a small bet with a small hand and a big bet with a big hand. So when people make those weak bets, here I come! Anyway, do you have any other insights on when this strategy is most effective and when it is probably unwise? Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, oboy, 23. Dec 2003 17:42 | ||
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| The Superaggresive players usually don't make it to the final table. There are always 3 - 4 players watching and waiting for the that will bust the superaggresive. | ||
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| Re: Superaggressor Strategy in NL HL, noiseboy, 24. Dec 2003 10:06 | ||
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| I don't think this is true. From what I've seen, superaggressors usually either bust out or win (once they get chips, they are a holy terror), the more solid tight aggressive players tend to get more place finishes but less first and seconds. Look at last years WSOP, Ivey, Farha, Vahedi and Moneymaker all tend towards the superaggressive style. Harrington and Lester are more solid. Both styles of play certainly have their merits, I think the best tournament player needs to be able to pull off both. There are so many Superagressors doing extremely well right now that I don't think the old argument that these players are just lucky can still be made. Gus Hansen, Daniel Negreanu, Layne Flack, Devilfish Ulliott, etc... These players results speak for themselves. | ||
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