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 Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, Quark, 22. Dec 2003 13:57 | ||
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| First, let me say that I am a complete newbie to poker... I've read a few books, and played some play money games over the past few months, only recently playing $.50/$1 real money games on Party Poker. I've also gained valuable insight from the many posters here on UnitedPokerForum regarding strategy. So far, I've generally had mixed success: up $10, up $20, down $80, 5th place, 2nd place and 3rd place at Single Table tournaments. Not great, but not bad for a complete newbie either. So last week I register for a tournament (about 300 entrants) for $9+$1 ... I didn't notice it at the time but it was a "Friday Special Qualifier Tournament" so after laying back and letting people bust out for the first an-hour-and-a-half, I start playing some hands. After another hour or so (with help from some great cards), I find myself around 5th place in chips... JJJJ after the turn on the BB, ace high flushes, I'm knocking people out right and left. I finished well within top 10! Well, the way this qualifier is structured is that the top 10 get an entry (worth $215) to the Friday Special Tourney on December 26th, 11th through 13th place get cash (about $98 to $35). Now, as I was getting close to 15th place, I was seriously considering TRYING to lose, so that I could get the $98 cash for my $10 investment, rather than being thrown into a table with good players where my chances to win any money would not be great. Well, needless to say, the competitor in me decided to "do my best" and so I got this entry to the Friday tournament. I think out of almost 1000 entrants, the top 70 get some money ($450 minimum, which would be great, actually). So, that's my situation.... if you were in my shoes, and experience level, what would you do to prepare yourself to come in 70th or higher in a tourney where people are buying in for $215 (and gaining entry through winning these $10 satellites)? Practice against better competition? (so far that hasn't worked out as I "bled" much of my bankroll to better players in a $2/$4 game, stupidly trying to chase hands). Practice at full 10-handed ring games? (so far I've not been too successful at that). Read more? (I just picked up Mike Caro's "Fundamental Secrets" book, and I'm searching this forum for any help I can get). Is there any hope for me? Did I make a tactical blunder by placing better than 11th place in the satellite? Thanks in advance for whatever advice you can give me. - Quartz | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, SmallFeesh, 22. Dec 2003 15:19 | ||
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| well... your playing the tournament online... so there will be more entrants than you can possibly imagine! and well over half of those probably have little to no knowledge of tournament strategy.... so i dont know how the blind stucture is set, and the amount of chips you will be given... but if you start out with a nice stack in comparisson to the blinds play tight! dont come in with anything less than AK in a raised pot, AQ to KQ in an unraised pot regardless of position, and come out betting, but dont put yourself in a position where you will have to let the hand go if put all in, so in otherwords, dont make the bet huge, but dont make it small either.... it all depends on the texture of the table, DONT got chasing cards! if you flop an open ender or 4 to your flush and these people are betting like they are ready to go in dont be afraid to let the hand go! you want to get your money in when you have the nuts, not when your hoping and praying to get the cards to make the nuts! dont get stuck with the small pocket pairs, if your small stacked and you need to double up... go ahead and push and pray! other wise be prepare to let em' go if its going to be expensive! you might already be beat and your un-likely to flop a set. you can limp around in late position with hands like QJ, J10, and even 910, and 89 ON THE BUTTON! but dont go getting yourself pot commited! basically... just play tight.... you should know when your hands good or not... be carefull of people trying to slow play! that can be very expensive if you have a hand... but they have the nuts! tight aggresive, and you want to accumulate chips later on... not so much early on, just get em' when you can! if you want practice play the SNG's... those can be GREAT NL practice! | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, ScanX, 23. Dec 2003 01:57 | ||
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| Cant you get your entrance "refunded" into cash that you can invest in other smaller tournaments that you might prefer ? (or even refunded into real money ?) But maybe you wanna give it a try on friday :) | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, SmallFeesh, 23. Dec 2003 02:04 | ||
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| i dont know a whole lot about online poker.... but i severely doubt it... i know it would never happen in B&M's | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, Dr_Monkey, 23. Dec 2003 06:04 | ||
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| The odds of a refund are very slim. I won an entry into a $25 tourney on Empire. I was not able to play in any upcoming $25, they changed the time from 9pm to 11:30 pm. I email support and the best they could do was add $10 to my bonus account, which I have to play raked hands to release. Lost $17 of value or more if my raked hands cost me money. on 23. Dec 2003 01:57 ScanX wrote: > Cant you get your entrance "refunded" into cash that you can invest in other smaller > tournaments that you might prefer ? (or even refunded into real money ?) > > But maybe you wanna give it a try on friday :) > > > > | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, Quark, 23. Dec 2003 07:21 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice! The tourney is not a NL tourney, though... it's limit hold em with blinds increasing (I think) every ten minutes. By the third hour I assume we're playing 10000/20000 or something. Everyone starts with 1000 chips, I believe. SmallFeesh, does any of your advice change being that it's not a No Limit tournament?? As for the refund, I briefly looked into it, and it's not possible.... The satellite prize was a seat, and it's a seat that I got. The fact that it's $215 cash value is irrelevant, they say. | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, ScanX, 24. Dec 2003 01:57 | ||
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| Go on then and kick the s*** out of them ! :> by the way don't forget to post a message about the outcome of that tournament ! | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, guinnessman, 23. Dec 2003 09:12 | ||
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| Don't play scared, play with confidence. If you don't, the better players will pick up on it and wipe the floor with you. If you had the ability to make the top 10 on the $9 tourney, you have the ability to play here. Also, remember most of the people you are playing against put up $215 and you only put up $10. The real pressure is on them to make money and the worst you can do is -$10. Guinnessman | ||
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| Re: Advice for Newbie in High Stakes Tourney Play?, SmallFeesh, 24. Dec 2003 05:22 | ||
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| yes... i would say much will change since its not NL.... this makes it easier to dance around a little in the pot... its much harder to get a huge stack... but if you get some cards then you will be fine! i would. play it much like a ring game... here you can limp in more with out having to worry about a huge raise... depending on position... i would still play tight... but now you can play those open enders and flush draws easilly... i dont know if you know it but there is a great basic play you can make when you flop an open ender or four to flush.... as common as i would expect it would be i completly baffle some peolple when i do it in a 4-8 or 6-12 game. say you have KQ on the button.. and the flop comes J 10 6.... an early position player bets.. and 2 call... you on the button raises and everyone calls... now the turn comes a 3.... everyone will usually check to the raiser... being you... who will in turn check... you have now seen the turn card free... the river comes an A... now becouse you didnt bet the turn the opener on the flop bets, one calls... and say one raises... you now have the nuts... stone cold... and not only did you gain a free card on the turn but now your trapping these people for extra bets! beutiful huh?? i suspect that you have probably already read/learned about that one... but you never know! Now you are playing this on the internet... so you never know... it might not work! someone might bet in front of you regardless... good luck! and dont put yourself in close decisions! one more thing... ALWAYS raise aces! and pay alot of attention to the rest of the action! i saw a lady tonite kill herself by making... in my own opinion... huge blunders! i was playin a NL tourney at the Mirage... and i look down to see pocket 8's... im one off the button and its folded around to me... i go to raise... but the button raises in front of me! big bet to.... so she takes it back when she realizes that i was still in it... now i figure it was a button raise... so she could have ANYTHING! so im definatley playing the 8's... i dont want a re-rasie here... becouse i will be forced to fold.. even though she could still have K-J or something of the sort... so i push in... and she calls! and shows me 2 A's! well i flopped a set! now if she would have paid attention i would have raised about $400 or so... and folded if she pushed all in... later at the final 2 tables she LIMPS on the button... the SB raises... and the BB chip leader at the table re-raises... she calls and the SB folds... she turns up yet again pocket A's.... the BB? K2s!!! now dont get me wrong... the chip leader at the table had no buisness putting chips in jeopardy with K2... suited or not! he flopped one king... and turned another... would the BB have folded to a big bet or raise from her?? very possible... possible enough that she should have raised! | ||
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