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 Is This Really a Good Tell?, Bart Mann, 22. Dec 2003 11:38 | ||
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| Question for all of you psychology gurus out there. The other night I was watching my first (and last, by the way) Celebrity Poker Showdown episode--the one with the West Wingers. Phil Gordon actually said something interesting--or at least it caught my attention, anyway. At one point in the middle of a hand he made a statement like: "A quick call by an opponent is usually a sign that your opponent is on a draw." My questions, in no particular order, are as follows: a) Is there any truth to this? b) Is this primarily a No Limit tell, or does it work in Limit as well? c) Are any of you actively using this tell? d) Is this tell primarily useful when facing a weak player or a strong player? e) What is the psychology behind this tell? It seems to me that a player who was on a draw would actually call slower, because they would take a few moments to calculate/re-calculate the odds before making the call. Thoughts, anyone? Thanks in advance for your help. - Bart - | ||
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| Re: Is This Really a Good Tell?, mkpoker, 22. Dec 2003 12:31 | ||
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| Yes, I think this is a good tell. I use it (I can only speak to limit play, however). I think it's especially reliable when the sequence is: slow check (feigning interest in betting)-bet-quick call. It works better against weak players (like most tells, I think) because strong players are more likely to bet at the same pace each move, denying such reads. Also, weak players are less likely to bet their draws, which makes their play easier to read. Generally, the tell works for two reasons, I think: 1. For most simple draws (nut 4-flush, open-end straignt, etc). the odds are almost always correct to call a bet. There's really not much to think about. 2. The drawer is anxious to see the next card--he want to see if he'll hit. His quick call action says "I knew I was going to call if you bet all along, so here's my money and let's move ahead." | ||
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| Re: Is This Really a Good Tell?, roy, 22. Dec 2003 16:07 | ||
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| Hey Bart go to pokerheadquarters and click on the tells button and star winning big | ||
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| Re: Is This Really a Good Tell?, Bart Mann, 22. Dec 2003 18:23 | ||
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| Hey Roy - This is the third thread I've seen in the last two hours that you've posted this lame-ass message in. Unless your last name is Brunson, Hellmuth, Chan, Nguyen, Lederer, Slansky or Jones, I don't give a crap what your website has to say. No offense to any other legitimate professionals that I did not mention--you guys all rock as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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| Re: Is This Really a Good Tell?, Barry T, 23. Dec 2003 00:15 | ||
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| Hi. The tell is very reliable, especially after a raise. If the betting for example goes bet-raise-quick call, then the caller is typically on a draw. If he had a hand, he would have been planning to raise or callone bet, and would need to re-evaluate his chances now that he has new and surprising information. If he is on a big draw, (say, big flush), then he knows he is going to the river and has no big decision to make. I use this particular tell a lot. BarryT | ||
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