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 Two NL hands, 3Kings, 21. Dec 2003 23:15 | ||
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| 1) 6 players left. Top 5 get paid. I am second in chips with 6000.. Blinds are 150-300. I have TT in cutoff. I raise $1000. Called by button who is chip leader. Flop come 9TK rainbow. I check. Button checks. Turn in 5c. I bet 1500. Button raises me all-in. What would you do? Results at bottom. 2) Same tournament week later. Thirty players left. BB 100-200I have 3800 on the button. Two limpers to me. I raise 300 with KQo. SB goes all-in (total amount about 1000) Everyone folds to me. There is about 1500 in pot and it coets me 600 to call. What should I do? Results below. 1) I call. Button has KK and I am out. 2) I call. SB has AQ. I flop a K and win knocking small blind out. I know raising with KQo in this spot isn't the best play but I wanted to play it and wasn't just giong to limp in so I raised. | ||
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| Re: Two NL hands, cargov, 22. Dec 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Problem: 6 players left. Top 5 get paid. I am second in chips with 6000.. Blinds are 150-300. I have TT in cutoff. I raise $1000. Called by button who is chip leader. Flop come 9TK rainbow. I check. Button checks. Turn in 5c. I bet 1500. Button raises me all-in. What would you do? Answer: I'm fairly new to this, so I hope my answer gets some comment too. I think if I'm the second top stack at a table of six where 5 get paid, and the chip leader is immediately to my left, I'm going to be real tight, and wait for someone to fall out. In this situation, after really thinking about it, I think I'd muck the TT. Basically, if you get called you have a real dilemma if an Ace or face drops on the flop. I'm still learning the math, but I think the odds are more likely than not that you'll see such a flop. After the flop this hand is hard to get away from. But I think I would have to bet on the flop. There is about 2500 in the pot, so if you bet and he folds, you increase your stack by about 50%. Not a bad take. Also, if you think about what he would stay in with pre-flop, he'll call you with either AA or AK. If he was playing QQ or AQ you want to force him to pay to see the turn rather than get a free draw at the gutshot. Given that he has KK, I don't think you are any better off betting on the flop, but you can't be any worse than you were. The only other question I would have is how much of a lead he had on you. If he goes all in and loses does he become the short stack. If so, less reason to believe that he is bluffing. One more thing, I think he misplayed by not betting on the flop as well. The only thing that could beat his set was a straight, and if you were playing AJ, AQ, JJ or QQ he was giving you a free look at the gutshot draw as well. i'd love to hear what others think of this take on it. | ||
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| Re: Two NL hands, Risky Business, 22. Dec 2003 13:52 | ||
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| My take: If I lose my TTT to KKK or a miracle flop, I'll sleep OK. I don't like the post flop check by either of you. If you're really trying to avoid confrontation with a big stack (the only person with the ability to knock you out), I think the best way out is with a bet here. Either he folds, or goes all-in here....which would have required a miracle flop to beat you (or KK) Yes, I would call his all in as well. (All-in is his only play) Even if he has 1 King, he'll call your post flop bet. He may even call with A-Q, A-J, but NOT if it means relinquishing his chip lead. (you did raise after all) The last thing you have to look at personally is where do you want to finish? This is a great chance to double up, and the only reason to check post-flop. If you only want to make the money, why are you even in the hand. Agreeing that it's hard to dump a pair of 10's, then what? You got a set, and now you want to dump it so you can make the money?? Why not dump up front? Were you waiting for quads to play? Catch my drift (not that I'm right), but I say once you've done the hard part.......getting a very good hand against the chip leader.........do something with it............or don't get in the hand at all until someone else drops out. (boy that was long-winded) on 22. Dec 2003 12:18 cargov wrote: > Problem: 6 players left. Top 5 get paid. I am second in chips with 6000.. Blinds are 150-300. I have TT in cutoff. I raise $1000. Called by button who is chip leader. Flop come 9TK rainbow. I check. Button checks. Turn in 5c. I bet 1500. Button raises me all-in. > What would you do? > > Answer: > I'm fairly new to this, so I hope my answer gets some comment too. I think if I'm the second top stack at a table of six where 5 get paid, and the chip leader is immediately to my left, I'm going to be real tight, and wait for someone to fall out. > > In this situation, after really thinking about it, I think I'd muck the TT. > Basically, if you get called you have a real dilemma if an Ace or face drops on the flop. I'm still learning the math, but I think the odds are more likely than not that you'll see such a flop. > > After the flop this hand is hard to get away from. But I think I would have to bet on the flop. There is about 2500 in the pot, so if you bet and he folds, you increase your stack by about 50%. Not a bad take. Also, if you think about what he would stay in with pre-flop, he'll call you with either AA or AK. If he was playing QQ or AQ you want to force him to pay to see the turn rather than get a free draw at the gutshot. > > Given that he has KK, I don't think you are any better off betting on the flop, but you can't be any worse than you were. > > The only other question I would have is how much of a lead he had on you. If he goes all in and loses does he become the short stack. If so, less reason to believe that he is bluffing. > > One more thing, I think he misplayed by not betting on the flop as well. The only thing that could beat his set was a straight, and if you were playing AJ, AQ, JJ or QQ he was giving you a free look at the gutshot draw as well. > > i'd love to hear what others think of this take on it. | ||
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