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 You were right, Blade, 20. Dec 2003 10:28 | ||
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| As I have traveled down the path of poker I have spent a lot of time and written many post on starting hand requirements. I have read books, I have run multi-million hand simulations on different hands from various positions, I have studied whether or not it is profitable to raise with Qjo from LP with 5+ callers as oppossed to just calling. Here I always recieved the same feed back "Money is made after the flop". Yeah whatever I thought to myself. Well about a month ago I hit a poker wall of basically break even or slightly winning poker. I became very dissatisfied with my play and decided to "take myself to the basement." Thanks to my friends at Poker Tracker I was able to rewatch my hands over and over. Guess what I found? My starting hand selections? Perfect. My post flop play? Filled with mistakes. I studied my hands, I studied my opponents and worked , thought about, and analyized my play of the entire hand. I worked on my semi bluffing, how to recognize players that can be straight bluffed, what players will never lay down and when should I and when shouldn't I bet the river. My results have improved dramatically and I have never had so much enjoyment out of the game. It has gone from a "Yes or No" game based on a chart and a flop to a "it depends" game where every hand is a mental war, where I'm not concerned with my cards as much as whether or not I can win this pot, How can I maximize this pot, or how can I minimize my loss. The only way I can describe it is to say I have gone from using 10% of my brain to using the full 100%. It honestly feels like that. It amazing how little I worry about what group which hand is now. For all of the new players recently joining this forum I have this advise. Learn the starting hand requirements they are important and play by them strictly while learning. Tight is still right. But don't stop your analysis there. After you play a session go back over your hands, could I have won this pot somehow? could I have lost less money? what were my pot odds when I called? When I folded how many total outs did I have, did I have any draws that I didnt see? What mistakes does my opponent make and how can I take advantage of them? | ||
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| Re: You were right, Barry T, 20. Dec 2003 17:45 | ||
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| Hi. Great. Please keep that up. As soon as you find yourself playing on auto-pilot, drag this post out and re-read it. Poker is a situational game, and indeed requires individual analysis each time. Excellent post!! BarryT | ||
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| Re: You were right, Roy Cooke, 21. Dec 2003 08:27 | ||
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| Both things have value.....Hand selection is relatively easy to learn....But playing the right hands pre-flop is important. But playing your hands correctly has HUGE value! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 20. Dec 2003 10:28 Blade wrote: > As I have traveled down the path of poker I have spent a lot of time and written > many post on starting hand requirements. I have read books, I have run > multi-million hand simulations on different hands from various positions, I have > studied whether or not it is profitable to raise with Qjo from LP with 5+ > callers as oppossed to just calling. Here I always recieved the same feed back > "Money is made after the flop". Yeah whatever I thought to myself. > > Well about a month ago I hit a poker wall of basically break even or slightly > winning poker. I became very dissatisfied with my play and decided to "take > myself to the basement." Thanks to my friends at Poker Tracker I was able to > rewatch my hands over and over. Guess what I found? My starting hand > selections? Perfect. My post flop play? Filled with mistakes. > > I studied my hands, I studied my opponents and worked , thought about, and > analyized my play of the entire hand. I worked on my semi bluffing, how to > recognize players that can be straight bluffed, what players will never lay down > and when should I and when shouldn't I bet the river. > > My results have improved dramatically and I have never had so much enjoyment > out of the game. It has gone from a "Yes or No" game based on a chart and a > flop to a "it depends" game where every hand is a mental war, where I'm not > concerned with my cards as much as whether or not I can win this pot, How can I > maximize this pot, or how can I minimize my loss. The only way I can describe > it is to say I have gone from using 10% of my brain to using the full 100%. It > honestly feels like that. > > It amazing how little I worry about what group which hand is now. > > For all of the new players recently joining this forum I have this advise. > Learn the starting hand requirements they are important and play by them > strictly while learning. Tight is still right. But don't stop your analysis > there. After you play a session go back over your hands, could I have won this > pot somehow? could I have lost less money? what were my pot odds when I > called? When I folded how many total outs did I have, did I have any draws that > I didnt see? What mistakes does my opponent make and how can I take advantage > of them? > > > | ||
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| Re: You were right, timmer, 21. Dec 2003 10:22 | ||
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| on 20. Dec 2003 10:28 Blade wrote: > The only way I can describe it is to say I have gone from using 10% of my brain to using the full 100%.> just imagine how much you'll be using after the next 5 years If you keep it up. study, play, analyze, repeat. timmer | ||
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