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 Tourney advice, cargov, 19. Dec 2003 17:47 | ||
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| I think I probably played this wrong about three times, but would love to hear advice. I'm in an online freeroll no limit hold em tourney. 15-30 blinds, I'm in the small blind with 6 4 offsuit. Pre flop there is one call in front of me, I limp in with a half bet, BB checks Flop comes 5 7 8 giving me a straight. I check, bb checks button checks. J comes on turn, I bet 90 (pot), BB calls, button folds K comes on river, I bet 400, bb moves in, I call (putting myself all in) He turns over 6 9 and I'm out of the tourney. How would others have played this after the flop? | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, JLenart, 19. Dec 2003 18:41 | ||
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| I'd have folded that hand preflop and never gotten into that position. You flopped the straight right? You needed a miricle flop and caught it. That's great but it wasn't the nut straight. So you're in trouble already. What kind or idiot stays in with 69. Well they're out there and you found him. Besides that you were out of position. Actually where your biggest mistake came was when the J hit on the turn. Now is when you bet out? There are so many straights that beat yours. Now I'd run away from my hand in a second figuring someone might have came in for cheap with 9 10 Going all in after that is a killer mistake as you learned. Freerolls bring the types of guys whowill play 69 out. In a tourny tight is right and that means folding hands like your's even in the SB when limits are low. Save the extra 15 chips till later. Survive and thrive. Didn't mean to sound overly critical. Better Luck next time | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, KJo, 20. Dec 2003 10:11 | ||
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| Reread the post, the other player with 96 was in the BB, no need to call him an idiot. Eli on 19. Dec 2003 18:41 JLenart wrote: > I'd have folded that hand preflop and never gotten into that position. You flopped > the straight right? You needed a miricle flop and caught it. That's great but it > wasn't the nut straight. So you're in trouble already. What kind or idiot stays in > with 69. Well they're out there and you found him. Besides that you were out of > position. > > Actually where your biggest mistake came was when the J hit on the turn. Now is when > you bet out? There are so many straights that beat yours. Now I'd run away from my > hand in a second figuring someone might have came in for cheap with 9 10 > > Going all in after that is a killer mistake as you learned. > > Freerolls bring the types of guys whowill play 69 out. In a tourny tight is right > and that means folding hands like your's even in the SB when limits are low. Save the > extra 15 chips till later. Survive and thrive. > > Didn't mean to sound overly critical. > Better Luck next time > | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, JLenart, 20. Dec 2003 15:07 | ||
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| Ooops sorry missed the fact that he was BB. My appologies | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, LKP, 20. Dec 2003 00:31 | ||
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| I wouldn't be quite as critical as JLenart. First off, I do agree that I probably wouldn't play 64o even if I was on the small blind. I know it's tempting to just put in half as many chips as everyone else to see the flop, but you have to think not simply of seeing the flop but what you will also do with it afterwards. Any flop that will give you top pair will also mean that someone else may very well have a higher kicker or a higher pocket pair. Any flop that gives you top pair, also will give people straight potentials. What if the flop was 2 3 6. Now you have top pair and inside straight draw. But a 45 has you beat, a K 6 has you beat. What if the turn is an A? Now anyone with an A has you beat too. What if the river was a 4? Now you have two pair but anyone with a 5 beats you. Sorry to beat it into the ground, but this concept will save you a lot of grief. That's why you don't play hands like A7o. The flop may come A82, and you may have the best hand. But can you feel confident betting and calling your money away with a 7 kicker? The best way to deal with that situation is to never get in it. As for your play after the flop, I feel you did fine. True, someone with a 69 could have you beat from the very beginning. And you got unlucky enough to run into a 69. But you'll only have the nuts less than one percent of the time, so you can't worry too much about someone having hands that could beat you. I like the attitude that Doyle Brunson articulated in Super System. He constantly says that he thinks he has the best hand, but if someone else is slow-playing pocket aces, then he'll just have to pay him off. That's poker. Someone holding 69 could have beat you, then when the J popped out,9 10 could have you beat as well, but so what? You can't play in a state of fear all the time. Going on only what you told me, I probably would have played it the exact same as you did. You just ran into that freak hand that was better, no big deal. The guy is on the big blind, so that increases the chances in my mind that he had anything. I wouldn't expect a preflop caller to have 69, but you never know with a BB. I still wouldn't be too worried though. However, I would also try to consider factors such as the player's betting style, bluffing tendencies, etc. and also factors such as the blinds, pot size, chip stack sizes, number of people left, etc. You may want to play the exact way you did after the flop in a 3 handed game with high blinds against a player who has a larger stack than you and tends to bluff. You might not want to do the same against a super tight rock of a player in a 10-handed game with small blinds who had a shorter stack than you. The rock might never call with a 69, but like I said he was in the BB. | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, SmallFeesh, 20. Dec 2003 00:48 | ||
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| wow... both flop a straight, both slow play... your hand could have been beat 2 ways.. obviously the big lick (6 9) or 9 10 on the turn... but since the BB waited till the river to go all in... (a dangerous all in for him as well... i wouldnt have done it in his shoes, when you bet you could have very well had the bigger straight), but since he waited untill the king came he could have also went in with kings up... but also not likely, tough desision! the BB could have anything! including your exact same hand! | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, WilliamS, 20. Dec 2003 06:59 | ||
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| I agree with the other guys you probably shouldn't have seen the flop, BUT with those hands and that flop ALMOST everyone is going to lose their stack. It is easy in hindsight to say you should've gotten away from the hand, but you have the third best possible hand with that board: 69 and 910 are the only two combinations that beat you. There aren't many times in a tournament that you get that chance to get your chips in the middle. (There is a good chance your opponent could have made a set and is playing it hard ) So, IMO, you probably should've folded preflop; postflop, 95% of the people out here are going to bust out of the tournament unless there are extenuating circumstances to make them play passively (i.e. bubble situation) Anywho, thats my take on it Will | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, 4 POKER, 20. Dec 2003 07:23 | ||
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| Count me in on that 95%!... If you can't put your chips in with that one, than why bother. Perhaps for survival purposes - but even that would seem like you'd be giving up too easily here. (just my opinion though). Although preflop I would have mucked the 6-4o because only one other opponent had limped in, so for even 1/2 a bet more, I don't think the hand is worth enough. Postflop on, I think he played his hand just fine. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Tourney advice, blisterfoot, 21. Dec 2003 13:30 | ||
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| Agreed, 4-6 off is not profitable with one caller already in the pot. Only way I'd play those cards are: 1) with lots of limpers already in the pot, giving you good implied odds 2) heads-up against the BB (BARELY profitable, only because you can raise him and hope to win the pot pre-flop) But once you've seen the flop and hit your straight, no reason to play scared of the 1 or 2 unlikely hands that could beat you, unless you have a good read on your opponent. | ||
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