|
||
|
||
|
Server Time: 8/30/2008 9:20:12 AM PACIFIC |
 tourney question, bingostu, 19. Dec 2003 13:37 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| I was in a tournament last week when this happened, and I want to know if i could have played it any different: 10 Player table, I'm the big blind. 200-400 blinds, 400-800. I get a K-2 of Hearts. 4 people call, i check. The flop comes 2-Q-2 giving me a set. The button stayed in and checks, I bet 400. A lady two down from me calls, all others fold. The turn comes a Q, giving me a full house. I bet, she calls. The river turns a 7. I bet, she raises...i call. She turns over 7-7 giving her a higher full house. Should I have played it any differently, and would she have tossed the 7-7? | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: tourney question, Eman, 19. Dec 2003 13:49 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| you know the term "idiot end of a straight". well, in this hand you have the idiot end of a fullboat. i would have folded. any Q beats you. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: tourney question, blisterfoot, 19. Dec 2003 15:09 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| what do you mean he should have folded? when? are you saying he should have checked the turn and then folded to a bet? i think that's a mistake because he could easily be folding the best hand, either to a bluff or to a medium pocket pair (like she actually had). read my post below--i argue he maybe should have check-raised the turn and then given it up if she didn't fold. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: tourney question, blisterfoot, 19. Dec 2003 15:04 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| first of all, when you say "the button stayed in and checks," I assume you meant the small blind? otherwise i'm confused... For the most part, this hand is just bad luck, and there's not much you can do about it. I probably would have played it just the same. But I MIGHT have tried a check-raise on the turn, which could be the more profitably play, not sure: Start at the beginning--if she had AK, AA, KK, or QQ she prob. would have raised preflop, and/or on the flop. So when she just calls PF and on the flop, I'd put her on one of three hands, in this order: 1) Qx -- waiting until turn to raise 2) Medium pair like she actually had 3) A-2 -- waiting until turn to raise The only one that's bad for you at this point is A-2, but that's extremely unlikely since the three other 2's are already out. When the second Q comes on the turn, that's a bad card for you if she has a Q. So maybe I'd check. If she bets, you can raise to see where you stand: A) If she has a Q, she'll reraise you back and you'll probably have to make a tough laydown, but it will save you one bet on the riv. B) If she's got a medium pair, she'll probably assume your raise means you have a Q or 2 and she'll fold if she's smart. If she's not smart and calls, that's good for you, because the chances of her hitting perfect on the riv aren't very good (even though that's what happened in this case.) C)If she has A-2 (very unlikely), she'll reraise and you'll fold thinking she has a Q, missing out on a split pot. But she would have raised if you'd bet on the turn instead of check-raising, and you'd be worried about the Q there too . D) If she was bluffing, she'll fold Now, if she checks back at you on the turn instead of betting, that means you've got the best of it, and you can go ahead and bet the riv without fear (the fact that she held 77 and hit the river perfectly was extremely unlikely, and you shouldn't have feared it). Although you missed out on the turn bet, she'll probably call you on the riv. since you showed weakness on the turn. In the end, looks like the straightforward play you made is fine, but checking the turn might be a SLIGHTLY better choice: If she had you beaten with a Q, you probably save one bet. If she didn't have a Q, either she'll bet and you can check-raise to win the pot right there, or she'll check and you'll lose a bet on the turn (which you might make up on the riv since you showed weakness) and give her a free card (but the risk is small because the only thing she could be drawing to is a medium pair, and her chances of hitting perfect on the river are so small) I don't know, what does everyone think about that? | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: tourney question, Flatout_Mainiac, 19. Dec 2003 16:13 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| In a ring game I would have probably played it the same way as you. But since it was tourney I would have check called the river since there is too much of a chance that she is calling down with a Q and you can't feel great about calling a raise on the river. In my thinking the $400 extra you might gain with a bet is not worth the $800 you would loose here with the reraise that you pretty much had to call. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: tourney question, SmallFeesh, 20. Dec 2003 01:04 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| im assuming you were in the BB... becouse you said you checked before the flop... so it was the SB who "stayed in and checked" on the flop? i would have definatley attempted a check raise on the flop... you have trip dueces, and no one else figures to be holding a duece... so your pretty good here, make some money when you can! the 77 would probably bet... and you would raise, if she called she would be FORCED to fold on the turn, unless shes a bigger idiot then she alredy looks.. but check raising the turn... i dont know.. scary with dueces full.. and not queens full.. the queen on the turn is a VERY bad card for you, as anyone in the pot figures to have that, a duece or mabey a couple over cards. i would bet and fold to any raise.... or just check call on the river since it is limit and you can control the amount you lose... its obvious no one had a queen or a duece... becouse you didnt get raised untill the river, of course you had to call... you had alot invested.. and you could only lose a certain amount, the check raise on the FLOP is the only thing i would have done different. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| POKER FORUM HOME | POKER FORUM | LINK TO US | ARCHIVE | ONLINE POKER | Copyright 2002, United Poker Forum |
|
Getting Started |
UPF Tournaments |
Poker News, Views, Rules |
Poker Strategy & Psychology |
Money and Bankroll Poker Bonuses & Promotions | World Series of Poker (WSOP) | Play Online Poker | Poker Odds & Statistics | Tournament Poker | Poker Books, Videos & Learning Tools Looking for a Poker Game | Poker Bad Beats | Not Quite Poker | Quizzes and Polls | Forum Suggestions & Bugs |
|
|
|
|
Interesting Links: Online Poker | Free Poker Games | United Poker Network |
|