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 Pre-Flop All-In, FNHinVA, 19. Dec 2003 11:00 | ||
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| I'm not even a newbie yet - still reading the books and observing a lot. I'm puzzled by the proliferation of pre-flop all-ins in tourney play. I understand going all-in when short-stacked and trying to get back in - desperation, in other words. I also understand calling an all-in to take someone out if it's not a fatal risk. Most other cases just don't make sense -- russian roulette... miss an you're dead. On the other hand, if you get pegged for fearing the pre-flop all-in, you get eaten alive. Comments? Advice? | ||
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| Re: Pre-Flop All-In, shorn, 19. Dec 2003 12:12 | ||
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| Read Sklansky's tourny book. His "system" (although as Andy Glazer points out, it is clearly misunderstood) is what is causing this to happen. It is a tough strategy to play against, but not one you should adopt yourself if you want to be a good tourny player. | ||
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| Re: Pre-Flop All-In, epper, 19. Dec 2003 12:33 | ||
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| I am not a favorite of all in, esp early in a tourney. That includes AA. Someone calls and gets lucky, and you are packing. I almost never move all in preflop. If I do, it is because I am short stacked. Yes, the all in move puts people on the defensive, but how do you feel when you get called and all you have is a9 against a high pair. Not good. Conserve your chips, make your plays when you can. | ||
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| Re: Pre-Flop All-In, Jordan, 19. Dec 2003 13:20 | ||
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| I think many people love the feel of going 'all-in' and they see it a lot on TV poker (WPT and Celebrity Poker). I think you make some very good points. Anytime you go all-in, pre or post flop, you're risking your entire tourney if somebody calls you with at least the same amount of chips. I do feel there are times and places and situations that it is the best play, but probably not as much as a lot of people do. That's why many UPF'ers can do so well in the SNG's. I sit and wait for 4-5 of my opponents to bust each other out while building my stack and playing against the 2-3 good players in a tourney. | ||
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| Re: Pre-Flop All-In, LKP, 20. Dec 2003 00:58 | ||
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| I think a lot of it also depends on how many players are left in the game, blind size, stack size considerations, etc. Mainly the number of players. I might go all-in with something like JJ when it's just down to 3 or 4 players. You don't want to take the chance of someone calling with a Q9 and catching their Q. I want to put people to a decision before the flop. And since you're all-in, they know they can't call and then bluff you out of it. I agree you should probably sit back and not really go all-in preflop in the first few rounds. But once you're down to less and less players, it becomes more of a factor. | ||
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