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 AQ in Mid position, Brian Benson, 19. Dec 2003 09:48 | ||
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| I'm playing at a 25c/50c $25 NL table. I have AQ in Mid position and Limp in. Late Position player raises to $2. 1 player directly to my right calls and I call. Flop comes A 9 4. Early position bets .50c. I made a decision at this point that I was going to stay with my hand but I only called myself. I have about $20 bucks in front of me which is roughly what the other 2 guys have. LP bets $10. EP calls and I call. Turn comes up blank. LP bets rest of his stack EP and I call. River is also a blank. No one had any money left at this point. So we turn up the cards and LP wins with AK. EP had A2. I was wondering if I should have been playing this or not or differently. My thought was that LP could have any pocket pair from 10's to A's. Although once EP stayed in I figured him for an A so pocket AA was unlikely. I actually thought AK was a likely holding for LP after he made his last bet but by then I figured I needed to put in the other $10 because there was around $50 in the pot. I considered betting out after the flop but then thought if I was beat LP would either call or raise and I think by then I would pretty much have to stay with my hand anyway, but if I wasn't beat then LP would probably would be betting out with lesser holdings so I stood to win more money if I was good. Let me know your thoughts! Thanks. | ||
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| Re: AQ in Mid position, Eman, 19. Dec 2003 11:31 | ||
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| no offense, but i think you played that horribly. through out the whole hand you had absolutely no idea where you stood. even when you did have an idea, you still made the wrong play. "i figured he had AK". if thats what you thought, why put in any more money? i think you should have raised preflop to see where you were. if the LP player reraised you preflop, you could at least give him credit for AA, KK, or AK. thus you could have folded and saved some money. but lets say he just called your preflop raise. regardless of what the A2 player does, (whether or not he bets out, checks, who knows, maybe he even would have folded preflop), i think you have to bet out and fold to a raise, because you can be assured that LP player has you beat. The bottom line is, you should raise to find out where you are in the hand. You'll save money in the long run. | ||
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| Re: AQ in Mid position, Eman, 19. Dec 2003 11:58 | ||
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| not to be too critical, but i have another problem with your though process. lets say that you had an excellent read on the two players and you didnt think LP had AK. You said to yourself, "I made the decision to stay with my hand but only called myself". Calling is one of the worst moves in NLHE. Calling is only effective if you have a monster hand and you are slowplaying and letting the other people bet the hand for you. You didnt have a monster hand, you had a good hand that was easily beatable. If you were gonna stay with your hand till the river, you should raise the flop bet. At least you might have a slight possibility of winning the hand right there. If you get reraised, you can fold. | ||
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| Re: AQ in Mid position, mroban, 19. Dec 2003 12:04 | ||
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| The large bet by LP meant you were beat. He either had a set of nines or AK. You had AQ, so its pretty tough to put someone on AQ also. He could have had AJ or worse if he was a really bad player, but if you didn't have that read, I would be thinking AK all the way or a set of nines. Personally, I would have tossed the hand preflop. I would not have limped either. I would have made a raise preflop and if called then I would have more or less given up on the flop. Maybe a token bet and if raised, toss it. Just too easy to have second best hand here. No way I put in all my chips. I definitely would have folded after the LP bet $10. | ||
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| Re: AQ in Mid position, shorn, 19. Dec 2003 12:08 | ||
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| Checking and calling is a losing strategy in big bet poker. I think you played this hand poorly from the get go. I would have raised the early limper about 4-5x the BB to try and isolate. When the LP player then re-raises or flat calls, then alarm bells go off. I would likely have made a bet of 1/2 the pot (say $5 or so) on the lop and if LP called or raised, then i am not putting another dime in. When someone shows strength in NL (especially into that ragged a board), your AQ is no good anymore. Don't waste any more $$ on it. | ||
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| Re: AQ in Mid position, timmer, 19. Dec 2003 12:48 | ||
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| I dont Know brian , IF im first Im thinking turn the pot up side down (odds wise) preflop. But in NL it depends on your stack and the opponents stacks. But I would pop it for about a third of my $25 If you are three bet you know your up against a premium hand and I can think of few that AQo beat. However against similar stacks, your strong betting strategy makes it hard for any one with any thing but a truely big hand, a truly big stack (limit wise), or a very small stack in (or out of ) the blind. the fact that you didnt raise seems to have caused you a few problems. But with that crappy flop and a multiway pot a preflop raise or reraise and simple bet or check raise on the flop should win it for you. But they dont call this hand "walking back to texas" for nothing. | ||
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| Really?, blisterfoot, 19. Dec 2003 13:41 | ||
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| I don't know guys, I'm a beginner, so bear with me. I agree that Brian played this hand very poorly, but you guys all say he definitely should have raised PF. From early position with AQ, really? I think I would have limped in too, but then raised EP's weak bet on the flop to $2 or $3 to see where I stood. Then when LP raises to $10 AND EP calls, I'd know I was beat. and fold. I would have put LP on AK or maybe 99. Even if I thought there was a chance that LP was bluffing with KK or something similar, I'd put EP on A-9 or A-4 for two pair (I can't BELIEVE he called $10 with A-2). Either way, no chance both of them are bluffing, so I'd definitely fold. Is this a worse way to play it vs. raising PF? | ||
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