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 Possible bad NLH play, SmallFeesh, 19. Dec 2003 01:49 | ||
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| OK.... Its a No Limit Holdem tournament at the Mirage, $120 buy in with one $100 rebuy. 1st is $7,400 last (ninth) is about $400, 2 tables left with blinds at 1k-2k, I've got 14k in the big blind, and I look down to see pocket jacks, my first thought is "alright, pocket jacks in the big blind twice! Some one is gonna pay!". The guy directly to my left goes all in for about 12k, its folded around to me, and I QUICKLY call, he turns up pocket aces, nothing comes for me and he wins. Did I make a bad call?? I know pocket jacks aren't the best hand in the world, but I had already decided before the action got to me that he had a low to medium pocket pair, he had gone in 3 times under the gun with such holdings, pocket 5's, pocket 8's, and 10's, I didn't figure he would go all in, in such an early position with a hand as strong as A's because you don't figure to get callers, A's you generally want callers, and this was a tight table, so there wasn't a lot of action anyways. In hind sight I think I could have thought about it a little longer, taken a little more into consideration in the way of chip amounts, and amount of players left in, there were quite a few stacks smaller than mine. But the All in bet just SCREAMED I don't want callers to me, and I knew he loved to go all in early with low pocket pairs, at the time I thought I had the best hand, but as always hindsight is always wiser! So.... Did I make a bad play? | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, shorn, 19. Dec 2003 05:22 | ||
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| I would have mucked. Considering you have laready posted your nlind and you still have enough left for close to 5 laps, I don't like to call off ll of my chips with JJ. You have lousy position and really no way of knowing what your opponent has. I would have to put him at least on AK at which you are a coinflip at best. And (like the situation), if he woke up with a really strong hand, then you are in deep doo doo. | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, epper, 19. Dec 2003 12:37 | ||
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| agree with shorn. that late, why risk all your chips. tough part is the read that you have. got to go with the gut, but your gut seemed to be saying what can i beat as opposed to what can't i beat. you said that as soon as you saw the pocket jj, you were going in. not right. wait to see what happens, survey the field, and make your decision. remember, if you are wrong in calling a worse hand, you are still ALIVE. call and be wrong to a better hand, and you are OUT. you had fought well to get late in the tourney and had a good stack size -- not in a position to have to move all in. looks like a mistake to me. better luck next time. | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, SmallFeesh, 20. Dec 2003 00:25 | ||
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| thanx for the reply's! i knew as soon as i saw those pocket aces i had made a serious mistake! there is so much i could have taken into consideration... like when he went in previously he had a MUCH smaller stack, even though his all in at the time screamed to me "i dont want callers", what first seems may not always be right, looking back what i believe was going through his mind with the earlier hands was "im going all in, hopefully i can double up" but with the pocket aces he had already gotten himself to a decent chip position, so i believe what was going through his mind there was "wow, pocket aces..... crap, if i let these guys see it cheap i might get snapped by some junk, id better go all in, get rid of the junk". if someone would have called or went in themselves i would have tossed those yackys away like they were 7 2 off suit!, pisses me off i made such a bad call! just earlier in the game i mucked pocket queens because i was almost certain the girl had aces or kings, plus i had a whole field yet to act after me.... oh well... like said.. better luck.... and decisions next time! every poker session is a learning experience right?? | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, KJo, 20. Dec 2003 10:25 | ||
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| I'll disagree. First of all, he has the best position for an all in bet folded to him in the BB, with nobody to act after him. But I think it's one of those classic "am I playing to win or playing to get into the money" plays. I rarely see an UTG player go all in with a healthy stack and AA, and I think it's more likely, like he said, that he had the guy beat. Yes, AK or AQ is a coinflip, but you gotta win the coinflips to win the whole thing. Eli on 19. Dec 2003 05:22 shorn wrote: > I would have mucked. Considering you have laready posted your nlind and you still > have enough left for close to 5 laps, I don't like to call off ll of my chips with > JJ. You have lousy position and really no way of knowing what your opponent has. I > would have to put him at least on AK at which you are a coinflip at best. And (like > the situation), if he woke up with a really strong hand, then you are in deep doo > doo. | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, Unvme, 20. Dec 2003 11:20 | ||
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| The problem here is you are absolutely in the dark as to what this man has. This is why you cant make this call | ||
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| Re: Possible bad NLH play, ILLZ, 30. Dec 2003 22:45 | ||
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| I would've definitely mucked, it's so hard to determine what he's holding here. Like you said, his bet screamed "I don't want callers", but that's so risky from EP that you have to resort to his general level of skill. IMO, which is far from pro, his EP all-in raise was a terrible play regardless of his hand. If he has aces he's making the chances of a call slim (which is what he wants with aces). If he has a marginal hand, like AQ or a low-pocket pair, he's taken a severe risk that someone behind him woke up with AA, KK, QQ, or even JJ, TT, 99 from a short stack looking to make a move. Althought I think you made the wrong play by calling, I sympathize with your beat because his all-in was so unpredictable and difficult to decipher. What do you guys think? | ||
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