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 Aggressive Blind Defense, Andrew W, 18. Dec 2003 13:12 | ||
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| My first hand at a NL 25 table at party, I get J10suited in the BB. UTG player raises the 50 cent blind to $2. I am ready to fold, then I see 3 or 4 callers. Since I'm last to act now, and not in danger of facing a re-raise. I call. Flop comes A Q J - ouch. I want to find out where I am in this hand, and see if it's worth staying in - so I bet out $1 - everyone calls. That was cool, I felt like showing aggression, I put everyone on the defensive. So I got to draw. River - K - made my draw - now 2 spades on board - i could win big or lose big now I want to make anyone on a spade draw pay for it, so I make a big bet, $12. The original raiser calls me, everyone else folds. river is a 4 hearts, i win the pot or split - woo hoo!! - let's see, he has JJ I think I played this well, not just because I won and got my lucky draw, but because I got it cheap, and made the move. What do you all think? Bad blind defense in the first place? Bad bet out on the flop Hindsight says - oh yeah, great hand - but had I not hit the King on the turn, could I evaluate the hand to that point and say "good play?" | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, Mikewad, 18. Dec 2003 13:24 | ||
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| I too think you played it well. If you didnt have 3-4 callers I think it would have been a clear fold on the out of position drawing hand. On the other hand the person who flopped the set of Js should have put in a large raise to protect his set against the straight draw. Just my opinion. Good luck ! | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, LJH, 18. Dec 2003 15:34 | ||
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| ANDREW W, YOU PLAYED OUTSTANDINGLY. YOU GOT IN CHEAP AND THEN YOU RAISED CORRECTLY. CONGRATS. LJH | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, shorn, 19. Dec 2003 05:01 | ||
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| No question you should call pre-flop, but don't kid yourself that the $1 bet into a $10 flop will tell you "where you are". That isn't going to scare anyone. In fact, you are lucky that the guy with JJ didn't punish you with a pot-sized raise (I would have with bottom set). So, you got lucky to be able to stay around and hit your draw. | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, 4 POKER, 19. Dec 2003 05:18 | ||
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| I agree with shorn. Although, you're preflop call was just fine. Now, betting $1 is not showing aggresion and it doesn't tell you where you are in the hand at all. Calling a small bet on the flop if one was made is fine, but, what would you have done if he moved all in on the flop with his set? If I had his hand, and given that board, I would have made you come to another decision as to whether or not you still want to be a part of that pot. Luckily for you he played his hand poorly and you got to draw out on him so cheaply. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, Andrew W, 19. Dec 2003 08:38 | ||
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| thanks for all the responses - shorn and 4P, I definitely hear what you're saying about the weakness of the bet. But in a way, that was what I wanted to do, not overbet it. Had I bet it big, anyone with a decent hand would have thought I was stealing. I just wanted to put doubt in their minds, to try to get a cheap turn card draw. I figured the raiser for an Ace with high card with that raise, (I would have raised a lot more with JJ UTG) - so I wanted to make a bet to represent that I wasn't afraid of top pair. Had JJ or anyone else raised, I'd be out. I don't pay the big bucks to draw anymore. I got lucky that the other guy was passive. The rest of my session at the table, I did take that into consideration, it was my best session all week. So, since the call on the pre-flop was good according to everyone, what should I have done on the flop? (SB was out, I was 1st to act) check, or bet bigger? | ||
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| Re: Aggressive Blind Defense, 4 POKER, 19. Dec 2003 11:16 | ||
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| Hi. Ok, if you bet the $1 just to try to put some doubt in their minds, plus all the other reasons you have just mentioned, then I like your bet. But in your original post you had stated that you made that bet to find out where you're at - and what shorn and I were saying was that you can't find out that information with a $1 bet. That was the part I didn't follow and a check would have given you the same information. If you check and someone bets and then perhaps someone else raises (like the JJ hand should/could have), you can throw away your hand and rest easy that you made the right laydown, regardless what the turn card would have brought you. Now, you asked if a check on the flop would have been better - well not necessarily. For the reasons you just gave above, your $1 bet has merit, as well - especially knowing that you would have been done with your hand if any substantial raising took place. Betting bigger (in my opinion) is a pretty gutsy move - especially against 5 other opponents. 4P- | ||
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