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 Help switching from online to B&M, FlopDaNutz, 18. Dec 2003 13:06 | ||
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| I learned NLHE at a young age playing with friends. We played home games for a while and I pretty much stayed even over a year or so(maybe up a bit). When I got back into Holdem, I decided to try my luck at Online Poker. I have played a few sites but primarily Party Poker. I was curious to see if people learned Texas Holdem at online or B&M tables, and which do they do they prefer or profit more? Currently I play many more online games than I do B&M (mostly home games, very few casino). I would have to say that I profit more online but I am really looking to get into a local PLHE game that a friend of mine hosts twice a week. There seems to be a good crowd that plays and lots of money in the game. It is stakes that I am comfortable with, and I enjoy the B&M table for a change over sitting in front of my computer all night. A few things I am curious about, since I lack much experience in B&M play over online play: 1) For those of you that play both B&M and online: How do you adjust from going back and forth between online and home games. I would think that your playing style remains the same, but reading opponents is a little different. 2) What are some key points on reading opponents. By this I mean body language and physical actions of opponents. Most of the players in this game are online players as well, or average at best on the B&M tables. There must be some obvious reads and giveaways that I should be able to pick up on from these beginners. 3) Any good books on getting tells and reads from players and body languages at a B&M table. I pick up on betting styles and bluffs pretty easy online, but realize that B&M play is a whole different animal. 4) From another point of view, what are some obvious things that I should or shouldn't do to give away that I have a hand or that I am bluffing it. Example, looking at hole cards more than once people may think I am on a str or flush draw rechecking my hole cards. This is a PLHE game with a minimum buy-in of $100 and no max. Average is $200 buy-in. Like I said, there are no exceptional players at this game, and I feel that there is plenty of money to be won here. I just hope to gather as much knowledge as I can going into these games with minimal experience in B&M play. Thanks in advance for your input. | ||
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| Re: Help switching from online to B&M, FlopDaNutz, 19. Dec 2003 06:09 | ||
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| I guess I was too broad with my questions huh? Well I suppose experience is the best learning tool. | ||
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| Re: Help switching from online to B&M, shorn, 19. Dec 2003 06:22 | ||
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| Answers under each. > 1) For those of you that play both B&M and online: How do you adjust from > going back and forth between online and home games. I would think that your > playing style remains the same, but reading opponents is a little different. Your game should stay pretty much the same, but I would guess that the B&M PL game will be much tighter than what you see online. The best thing is that you will have much more time to consider the plays that you make, so i find that y B&M game has improved dsramatially since I started playing online. > 2) What are some key points on reading opponents. By this I mean body > language and physical actions of opponents. Most of the players in this game > are online players as well, or average at best on the B&M tables. There must > be some obvious reads and giveaways that I should be able to pick up on from > these beginners. Shaking hands are a big one. For beginners, they seem to get very nervous putting chips in the pot when they have a big hand. Also, look for someone getting chips ready before action comes to them...a clear sign for you to check or fold your marginal hand pre-flop. > 3) Any good books on getting tells and reads from players and body languages > at a B&M table. I pick up on betting styles and bluffs pretty easy online, but > realize that B&M play is a whole different animal. Mike Caro's book is the undisputed treatise on tells. > 4) From another point of view, what are some obvious things that I should or > shouldn't do to give away that I have a hand or that I am bluffing it. Example, > looking at hole cards more than once people may think I am on a str or flush > draw rechecking my hole cards. What I try to do is to always repeat what I do. Similar to a pre-shot routine in golf. I always wait to look at my holecards until the action gets to me. I look at each one for 2 seconds to memorize it (whether folding or not), and I always bet and raise with the same hand, same stack, etc. If you do this, you won't give anything away. Another important thing is that when you raise pre-flop, always make it the same amount. And, Cloutier advocates that you should always bet and raise the pot on later streets as well. This will protect from anyone getting information on the strength of your hand by the size of your wagers. > This is a PLHE game with a minimum buy-in of $100 and no max. Average is > $200 buy-in. Like I said, there are no exceptional players at this game, and I > feel that there is plenty of money to be won here. I just hope to gather as > much knowledge as I can going into these games with minimal experience in B&M > play. Thanks in advance for your input. If you are playing with all beginners (and friends), make sure that you make it fun for everyone. I play in a game where I consider myslef to be a clear favorite (same kind of deal, $100 buy-in, PL and NL mostly, dealers choice) and it is the ONLY table at which I will have a beer while playing. For me, maximizing my win rate on a given night is not that important. What is important is keeping this game alive and making sure that everyone is having fun while they are losing. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Help switching from online to B&M, FlopDaNutz, 21. Dec 2003 18:54 | ||
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| Thanks shorn, for the advice. I will try to pick up Mike Caro's book. It is a very fun game, I have played in it a few times already, always finishing a winner, but nothing huge yet. There are a few friends but mostly just aquantances and I will be pleased to take thier money. People are there to have fun, but main reason people get in this gamem is for the money. The game will always be full so I am not worried about it going dry if a few of us go on a roll. Thanks again for the advice, I need to work on raising consistent amounts. I tend to raise diff amounts but not giving away hand strength because I will often raise larger with a mediocre hand or raise little with KK or AA just to switch gears and throw people off. -FlopDaNutz I'm not a player I just MUCK a lot! | ||
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