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 Another NLHE hand, Snorbolus, 18. Dec 2003 10:43 | ||
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| I think that I played this one badly. Any comments welcome. Playing 5 handed, no-limit hold'em, with 50c, $1 blinds: the action is folded around to a very loose, fairly aggressive player in the small blind who opens for a $1 raise. I am in the big blind with 10c 6c and decide to see the flop. We each have approximatly $100 infront of us. My stack is slightly the larger of the two. I decided to call because I have a very tight, slightly week image. It was cheep to play. I think SB could have made that raise with just about any two cards. I had position and thought that if I hit a good flop I might get the chance to shake things up a little. The flop came 9c 5s 2h. SB checked. I decided to test him and bet the pot ($4) hoping that he would fold. He called. What would you have put SB on here? I thought overcards, probably with an ace were most likely. SB is certainly capable of making that call with overcards. I think that if he had made a pair he would most likely have bet into me hoping to win right there. The turn was 10h. SB checked again and I bet the pot again ($12), now believing I had the best hand. SB called again. This surprised me a little but I still couldn't think what to put him on, a small set? Wouldn't he have raised more before the flop with a pair? Two pair? Surely he would have bet the flop, or at least raised when I bet it for him? What would you put SB on here? The river came a beautifull 10d. SB checked again. I pushed all in. SB thought for a long time then called and showed KK. Obviously I was pleased to win the hand, but I am terrified that I thought I was ahead on the turn. I nearly fell out of my chair when he showed his kings. I hadn't even considered the possibility that I was up against a big pocket pair. Is there anything that should have clued me in? Are there any other holdings that I should have been thinking about? Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, Blazman, 18. Dec 2003 10:53 | ||
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| He smooth called with pocket kings, it's a good example of why not to do that, He should have raised with KK and kicked you out pre flop. He got what he deserved. I generally only slow play when I have the nuts and I dont think that I will get a caller, or I think that I can check raise. -Blazman | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, shorn, 18. Dec 2003 11:00 | ||
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| Relax...you played the hand fine. He is the one who played it like a Jackass. He was giving you every opportunity to catch up and you did. I like the way you played the hand throughout. I would have put him on overcards on the flop, overcards with a 4 flush on the turn perhaps and then an overpair when he called the river. What he should have done was come over you with a big raise on the turn and you would have let your T go. Bottom line...he let you win this hand by not being aggressive with his monster. Let that be a lesson to us all. | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, Eman, 18. Dec 2003 12:27 | ||
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| You played the hand fine. I agree that slowplaying can have horrible results as indicated in this hand. However, if he decided to slow play his Kings, his only mistake was the river call. In No Limit Cash games, your looking to bust a player for all his chips, and that was his intention. He wanted you to make a move and catch you. But after the second 10 came up and you went all in, he should have let go. So if that was his plan from the get go, he actually played the hand fine upto his river allin call. Slowplaying a hand can be very very very profitable if you know how and when to let go. In the long run, if you play it right and fold your hand when you know your beat, it can be a very very profitable play. | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, shorn, 18. Dec 2003 12:34 | ||
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| I don't have a problem with slowplaying KK on the flop, but I disagree about him continuing it on the turn. The T makes str8 draws likely and any other overcard (save a K) could now potentially make someone two pair. I completly agree that he should have folded the river, but my point is that he should have made a decent raise on the turn in an attempt to win it right there. He didn't have an unbeatable hand and slowplaying a beatable hand usually doesn't work out well. If a card comes on the river that DOESN'T beat him, how much did Mr. Kings think he was going to get out of Snor? Certainly not his whole stack....hence a bad slowplay. | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, Aisthesis, 18. Dec 2003 21:35 | ||
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| Hmmmm... very interesting hand. I pretty much agree with most that his play of the hand was questionable, and I'm alway happy to see a slowplayer get outdrawn! But in response to your original question of indications that he might have been slowplaying a monster: The SB raise of just $1 looks suspect to me, particularly coming from a player you describe as loose and aggressive. With just your basic good heads-up hand (something like AX or a low pair), I would have expected a $4 raise. But then again, the low raise might also have meant that he had a very mediocre hand and didn't want to get too heavily involved with stealing your blind in case you had a good hand yourself--but in that case, the call on the flop doesn't make much sense (if I'm remembering the cards right, your hand should look to him something like Q9 after the flop) Anyhow, the SB raise (together with the checks and calls) is no doubt open to several interpretations. That's the only thing I can see that might have given some clue as to what was actually going on. While I doubt I would have been able to do it in practice, I wonder whether checking the turn might not have objectively been the best way to play your hand. On the other hand, betting it makes your hand look a lot like T9, to which he should have folded. This guy has definite calling station tendencies. Very interesting hand. | ||
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| Re: Another NLHE hand, Snorbolus, 19. Dec 2003 08:11 | ||
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| I do not think of SB as a calling station type player. Often he plays quite aggresively. This time though he was clearly in "rope a dope" mode and it nearly worked out for him. I really did believe that I was ahead on the turn, thats why I bet. I was expecting to win it right there. I think that just calling the turn was SBs only real mistake (calling all in on the river was a blunder too). If he had checkraised the turn I would have folded and he would have won a fair sized pot. I guess that he did not think the 10 helped me, perehaps he thought that I had made a pair on the flop? I didn't check the turn myself because: (1) I thought I was ahead and wanted a chance to win right there (2) If I had shown weakness by checking the turn, SB would have likely bet the pot at me on the river. I would have wanted to call, beleving that I was ahead. Remember I was not expecting another 10 to come and I did not have SB on an overpair. Better to get my money in on the turn. Then if SB bets the river he is doing it in spite of every indication that I am strong and I can fold. This costs the same as checking then calling (perehaps even less if SB overbets the pot on the river) but it gives me an extra chance to win. Snorbolus on 18. Dec 2003 21:35 Aisthesis wrote: > Hmmmm... very interesting hand. I pretty much agree with most that his play of the > hand was questionable, and I'm alway happy to see a slowplayer get outdrawn! > But in response to your original question of indications that he might have been > slowplaying a monster: The SB raise of just $1 looks suspect to me, particularly > coming from a player you describe as loose and aggressive. With just your basic good > heads-up hand (something like AX or a low pair), I would have expected a $4 raise. > But then again, the low raise might also have meant that he had a very mediocre hand > and didn't want to get too heavily involved with stealing your blind in case you had > a good hand yourself--but in that case, the call on the flop doesn't make much sense > (if I'm remembering the cards right, your hand should look to him something like Q9 > after the flop) > Anyhow, the SB raise (together with the checks and calls) is no doubt open to > several interpretations. That's the only thing I can see that might have given some > clue as to what was actually going on. While I doubt I would have been able to do it > in practice, I wonder whether checking the turn might not have objectively been the > best way to play your hand. On the other hand, betting it makes your hand look a lot > like T9, to which he should have folded. This guy has definite calling station > tendencies. Very interesting hand. | ||
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