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 moving on up, tron, 17. Dec 2003 21:24 | ||
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| hi, just had a question on moving up. If you are say beating the 5/10 and making a living at it. why would u want to move up to 30/60? 1. What is the right limit? 2. Is say playing in the 100/200 more money to make? 3. why do pros move up? just some questions on where u find urself playing for a living. | ||
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| Re: moving on up, Angel, 17. Dec 2003 21:45 | ||
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| tron, Even the very best couldn't earn enough at $5/$10 to accomodate a lifestyle which I would be satisfied settling for. We move up limits because we can earn more at higher limits. | ||
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| Re: moving on up, tron, 17. Dec 2003 21:53 | ||
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| thanks angel, so when do u decide the limit is high enough? 20/40, 30/60, 100/200, 150/300? etc...... | ||
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| Re: moving on up, Mark Gregorich, 17. Dec 2003 22:38 | ||
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| It is important that you are honest and objective with yourself and your abilities when selecting the right level to play at. Ideally, you will want to play in whichever game available to you that has the highest expectation for you. Typically, this will not be the smallest game in the house, even though it may be the easiest to beat. As a pro, I am looking for the most profitable game within my bankroll which will justify my investment of time. I could probably book a win in a $10-20 or smaller game practically every time I played, but wouldn't make as much at the end of the year as I would in a much more volatile $80-160 game. To support my lifestyle, I need to play in a game in which my expectation for the time I'm spending is equal to or greater than my cost of living (quite high in my case - a mortgage, 3 kids, and a wife - not necessarily in order from most-least expensive). Even though I play a lot of $80-160 and similar limits, there are plenty of days in which the most profitable game for me at the Bellagio is $30-60, based on the quality of the two games (some days I estimate my win rate in a poor $80 game to be $40/hr or less, but see a good $30 game worth $100/hr or more, so play in that instead). If you find the game within your bankroll where you can make the most money, that is the game you should be in. Mark | ||
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| Re: moving on up...Q for Mark, mkpoker, 17. Dec 2003 23:09 | ||
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| Understanding that games vary table-by-table (e.g. a specific 40-80 game might be softer than a specific 30-60 game), do you find that as a general rule, skill improves at each higher limit? I ask because at low-limits, I find no difference between the quality of play at 3/6 and 4/8, but a significant difference between 4/8 and 5/10 and an even bigger difference between 5/10 and 10/20. Are there similar "plateaus" at higher limits (limits where the quality of play is generally equal) or does the quality of play increase proportionately at each level? Or is each table so different, it's impossible to generalize? | ||
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| Re: moving on up...Q for Mark, Mark Gregorich, 18. Dec 2003 00:26 | ||
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| Yes, plateaus most definitely exist. This is kind of subjective, but I would lump limits/big ability jumps about like this: a)4-8 and below b)6-12 to 10-20 c)15-30 to 20-40 d)30-60 to 50-100 e)60-120 to 100-200 f)150-300 to 200-400 g)300-600 to 400-800 h)bigger games What I mean by my rankings is that for each letter you progress in limits, you should encounter significantly tougher opposition. This is not to say that there won't be weak players at each level (there will), but the winning players at each level will be far more skilled as you move up the ladder. There are exceptions, however. I know in Vegas of some players who don't play higher than $15-30 or $30-60 who happen to play better than some of the winning $60-120 level players. By the way, weak low limit players are sometimes maniacs, but often their biggest flaw is playing too passively. Weaker high limit players tend to be overly aggressive, which makes them more of a threat in the game. Mark | ||
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| Re: moving on up...Q for Mark, Phish, 26. Dec 2003 12:47 | ||
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| Mark, I like and agree with your breakdowns. Let me add an additional observation: There seem to be 2 types of winning players: 1) those who primarily play in one zone, but will sometimes play one level higher or lower (tho I know some 15/30 or 20/40 players who play nothing but). Few players will play 2 levels lower than their comfort zone, and if someone is playing successfully 2 levels above his comfort zone, he will soon move up. 2) there are those who will can be seen playing anything from 20/40 to 300/600 depending on how much they have at the moment. Even tho they're long-term winners, these guys are almost persistently broke and need to be staked. They will usually play at the biggest levels they can afford, and are never adequately bankrolled for their game. These guys are compulsive gamblers who happen to play poker well enough to win (tho they may actually be significant losers at the higher levels but just don't or won't realize it). | ||
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| Re: moving on up, tron, 18. Dec 2003 16:56 | ||
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| thanks mark for the informative insight and info. i guess one has to play in a certain comfort zone. 80/160 seems pretty steep for me to even venture in. | ||
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| Re: moving on up, Blade, 18. Dec 2003 12:26 | ||
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| Angel, and others, What are your thoughts on the effects of being able to play multiple tables at a time and the need to move up? on 17. Dec 2003 21:45 Angel wrote: > tron, > > Even the very best couldn't earn enough at $5/$10 to accomodate a lifestyle which > I would be satisfied settling for. We move up limits because we can earn more at > higher limits. > -May the bridges I burn light my way -Blade | ||
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