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 BAD DAY AT UB, MarkO, 17. Dec 2003 13:17 | ||
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| ok...been playing UB for about 6 mos. Have been doing ok..nothign great but staying above my initial deposit. Started in the .25/50 and moved up to .50/$1. I have had bad beats, good days, so so days, but this last week has been awful. I am not whining but ever since Ilit up Customer Service about a few rude players, all in abusers, and thier inability to keep thier site up or lwet people know when it is going down...I have paid....THEM!!! In the last 2 days....I have played 155 hands...I have won 8....now I am not saying some of my plays were smart...I know i made bad decisions and mis read situations...I can accept that but to be continually sucked out on trash and dealt trash sometimes I begin to wonder if the "card count" whining you hear about and "don't piss them off" stuff is true. In one heads up match I was dealt 2-7O, 2-90, 2-3O, about 6 hands in a row...my opponent had AA, AK, QQ, 77, 22 just to mention some of the crap I was up against... SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME I AM NUTS!!! Or could this really be true? Thanks | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, MarkO, 17. Dec 2003 13:28 | ||
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| let me clarify.....been dealt 155 hands...played 47 | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, Palinya, 18. Dec 2003 14:24 | ||
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| on 17. Dec 2003 13:28 MarkO wrote: > let me clarify.....been dealt 155 hands...played 47 > 155 hands is nothing. You only get AA one in 220 hands on average so you haven't even played enough to expect this once. Last night on Party I played 400 hands and won 2... yup 2 I was getting draw out like crazy. My last hand I got QQ and I raised pre-flop. Another Q came out on the flop. No straight possibilities, no over cards and it had 3 different suits. Someone bet to me and I raised, I kept betting to the river. Turn and river came out and gave someone a backdoor flush... They were holding J3s. I couldn't believe they called this crap to the river but that's poker... Your win rate wasn't great but it wasn't totally horrible either. This could have been a break even session or even a slight winning session but I think you are playing too many hands. You played 47 out of 155 hands? Thats 30%. All the profitable low limit players that I've watched keep this down to around 15-20% and less if they aren't getting good cards. I'm not sure what the table was like but if it was a full 10 person table then this is too many hands and you are probably playing things like KJo in early position or 98s when you don't have enough callers to make it profitable. You did mention heads up though which you would play a lot more hands but I doubt most of it was heads up since winning only 8 of 155 heads up would be almost impossible just due to your opponent folding pre-flop. | ||
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| let me clarify, Palinya, 18. Dec 2003 16:35 | ||
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| When I said playing 30% of your hands is too high, I meant voluntarily putting money in the pot 30% of the time is too high. If the 30% includes all the times that you saw the flop for free from the big blind then 30% isn't too high on a passive table, especially if you get lots of callers making it right to play suited connectors. But still 30% would imply that you were getting at least decent starting hands | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, mkpoker, 17. Dec 2003 13:28 | ||
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| You are nuts (sorry, couldn't resist). You've won more than 5% of 155 hands--not a great stretch, but not disastrous either. And you were dealt trash 6 times in a row. That's hardly evidence of a conspiracy! As with all things poker, if your concerns about the integrity of the game(either fair or unfair) are affecting your poker judgment, you should play somewhere else. But IMO, you've just hit one of those inevitable short-term unlucky streaks. | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, LJH, 17. Dec 2003 14:35 | ||
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| MARKO, STOP WHINING! WHEN YOU PLAY FOR 2 YEARS AND IT IS STILL HAPPENING, THEN YOU CAN COMPLAIN. LJH | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, Carson Horton, 20. Dec 2003 13:03 | ||
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| Sounds about par to me...I quit playing UB altogether...I have heard all the crap about random deals, blah, blah, blah.....but I just don't buy it! As far as I'm concerned ALL of the online games a a crock of shit. The deals that come off do not represent anything like the live games that I have experienced. If you try to raise the issue with the site operators they will tell you that it's because you are seeing so many more hands per hour, the play is looser, (meaning the players are worse, which if true should mean that a good player could win more) and that they have nothing to gain by manipulating the deal. While the first two are certainly true, I don't buy the third agrument for a minute... They have everything to gain by manipulating the deal...particularly if it is to reward loose, sloppy play, since that is how the majority of the online players play. If these players are rewarded for that style of play and can be kept in the game then the sites player base will remain larger and they will fiil more seats and generate more pots to be raked. The looser and sloppier the play the greater likelyhood that the maximum rake will be obtained. ( I even had one support person suggest to me that I should ALWAYS stay in for the flop, no matter what hand I had! because that is how most of the other players play?...Now what does THAT tell you?) The fewer of these bad players that tap out the better for the site operators. Since many of these loose, sloppy players are relatively new to the game they would undoubtedly be discouraged if they were to tap out constantly and have to keep recharging their accounts. I believe that there are recognizable card patterns that come off on the deals at all of these sites with regularity. For instance a smaller flush will be out drawn by a larger flush far more often than you would experience in real life. I won't play flush draw unless I hold an A or K....Same applies to straight draws. Another pattern is where two players are dealt the same combination of a high card, say A or K, along with a modest second card- 6,7,9 something like that- and then the flop produces the same combination. So now you have two players playing exactly the same hand of two pairs. It's really common when the high card in question is an Ace, because everyone plays their ace's online. Another is the high pair getting beaten by a small set. Clowns who play 8/3 offsuit draw a pair of threes on board and you are sitting there with your pocket A's thinking you've got them beat. In fact I think high pairs get beat far more often than probability says they should when playing online. Or have you noticed how often you will see four of a kind come off online? Way more than it should. Same with royal flushes. I've hit two in my last two-hundred hands! All of this seems rather paranoid and I don't know what can be done to prove it one way or the other, but I do know that I don't place much credibilty in the games at all. The only reason they are worth playing is to hope to be on the right side of the draw from time to time. I don't think the higher limits improve the player quality dramatically either. I have watched the 100/200 games at PokerStars and I see the same carzy-ass play that I see in the dollar games. As far as being placed on the no-win list for complaining I really can't say. Does seem like sometimes you can't win a hand but then luck will turn and you will reel off fifteen minutes worth of play that makes you look like Howard Lederer and suddenly you have quadrupled your stack. But all in all the games online seem to me to bear little similarity to live play. I suspect that if these games were truly a representation of live game action then you would have ninety percent of the poker pro's in the world online hauling away the cash. I mean you can play for forty of fifty thousand dollars every Sunday from the comfort of your living room, for a two hundred doallr buy-in. Not to mention the ten or twenty grand that will cahnge hands in fifteen minutes worth of play in the typical 100/200 limit game at PS or UB. If htese games were worth playing I think the top players would be "all in" in a heart-beat. | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, Flatout_Mainiac, 20. Dec 2003 13:53 | ||
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| It doesn't make sense to me as to why would someone continue to play tight-aggressive poker when they figured out the real way to beat the online game is loose sloppy play. Why would you play a style that you know is feared and hated by the online sites. If online sites coddle the fish and help them win by fixing the game shouldn't you become one? Doesn't a good gambler always want the deck stacked in his favor? Better yet since you know the card patterns you should be able mop up on even the favored fishies out there. Let us know how it works out.... | ||
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| Re: BAD DAY AT UB, Carson Horton, 21. Dec 2003 14:37 | ||
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| I can tell you this MarkO...If you complain at P/S they will just block your e-mail transmissions. | ||
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