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 what chips to use when bluffing?, tehwinz, 17. Dec 2003 12:54 | ||
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| when bluffing, do you prefer to use lots of lower chips or fewer higher ones? (example 10 * $100 or 2 * $500) Which is more intimidating in general? | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, mkpoker, 17. Dec 2003 12:59 | ||
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| Use exactly the same chips as you normally use to make a raise. If you've been raising $50 with 10 reds all night and then suddenly change to 2 greens, your opponent might think something's up. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, tehwinz, 17. Dec 2003 13:13 | ||
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| good point, though it doesn't answer the part of the question i was looking for. which bet is more intimidating, less chips or more chips? i know you should keep your bets similar to make it hard to read, but sometimes its good to send mixed signals. against lesser players would they be more inclined to fold on two red chips or 10 white ones? | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, WilliamS, 17. Dec 2003 13:18 | ||
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| I don't put much merit on this, but what I have read is to use lots of chips to induce a call. Subconsciously, the pot looks bigger with more chips. Conversely, a short, neatly stacked bet isn't supposed to look as appealing for someone faced with calling the bet. Like I said, I don't put any merit into this and I suggest what mk said which is to bet in the same manner every time. Will | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Angel, 17. Dec 2003 13:19 | ||
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| The answer is - it depends. At many low limit games an inexperienced player is going to be intimidated by quantity of chips - where a more experienced player will find it suspicious and be more likely to call. If a person wants to make the call - which most people who come to play poker do, if you bet a large denomination chip he may say, "It's only one chip." and if you bet alot of chips he may say, "They're only $1 chips." It's going to depend upon the players personality, mood, experience and his thoughts about you. It's a good question though - to answer it you are going to have to know your opponents - there is no template. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Mark Gregorich, 17. Dec 2003 22:26 | ||
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| Interesting question. I've actually had several conversations about this topic in the past. That should suggest that it is at least worth a bit of discussion and thought. I am accustomed to playing limit live games with the same denomination of chip, so it doesn't really come up there, but is definitely a factor in no limit tourneys in which there are many different chips in play. Mark | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, timmer, 18. Dec 2003 11:41 | ||
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| on 17. Dec 2003 22:26 Mark Gregorich wrote: > Interesting question. I've actually had several conversations about this topic in > the past. That should suggest that it is at least worth a bit of discussion and > thought. I am accustomed to playing limit live games with the same denomination of > chip, so it doesn't really come up there, but is definitely a factor in no limit > tourneys in which there are many different chips in play. > Mark > | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, JJSCOTT2, 19. Dec 2003 23:05 | ||
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| This is a great topic, one I've thought about alot myself. I play mostly online where you don't get to choose what chips you use to make bets so it doesn't matter either way, but I also play regular twice weekly tournament-style home games and here's what I've noticed. While I can't say what goes for in the B&M's against really tough competition I can give my thoughts, I first started thinking about this when I noticed myself doing something, whenever I was calling a bet that I only felt OK about or I was making a bluff that while I didn't think was likely to be raised but if it were I would have to fold I would stack up many of the lowest denomination chip and use these to put in the pot as I wouldn't feel as bad about parting with them. Now that may seem stupid but keep in mind this was subconcious for a few months before I even noticed I was doing it. So then I watched the other average/mediocre players that I play with(and beat) and noticed that they would play the same way and be much more likely to back down from a bet made with a few of the highest denomination chip. So generally speaking, if I'm bluffing in my opinion, bigger chips. I think what it all comes down to is that when a player has those large denomination chips in front of him they feel this sense of power and security subconciously and they are much more apprehensive about parting with them, so if you put them to a decision for those chips, you will get better results. Keep in mind though, that's only my opinion, and not against any real competition, so don't count my opinion for too much. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, JJSCOTT2, 19. Dec 2003 23:05 | ||
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| This is a great topic, one I've thought about alot myself. I play mostly online where you don't get to choose what chips you use to make bets so it doesn't matter either way, but I also play regular twice weekly tournament-style home games and here's what I've noticed. While I can't say what goes for in the B&M's against really tough competition I can give my thoughts, I first started thinking about this when I noticed myself doing something, whenever I was calling a bet that I only felt OK about or I was making a bluff that while I didn't think was likely to be raised but if it were I would have to fold I would stack up many of the lowest denomination chip and use these to put in the pot as I wouldn't feel as bad about parting with them. Now that may seem stupid but keep in mind this was subconcious for a few months before I even noticed I was doing it. So then I watched the other average/mediocre players that I play with(and beat) and noticed that they would play the same way and be much more likely to back down from a bet made with a few of the highest denomination chip. So generally speaking, if I'm bluffing in my opinion, bigger chips. I think what it all comes down to is that when a player has those large denomination chips in front of him they feel this sense of power and security subconciously and they are much more apprehensive about parting with them, so if you put them to a decision for those chips, you will get better results. Keep in mind though, that's only my opinion, and not against any real competition, so don't count my opinion for too much. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Risky Business, 18. Dec 2003 06:48 | ||
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| I believe this tiny sample of responses is what you're going to discover on the whole. It's up to the person you're playing; thus, everyone reading these posts has to ask themselves "self, how would I play someone in that situation? Would I get any action from raising with (5) $100 chips vs. (1) $500 chip?" Personally, without any other information, I'd probably use the strong-means-weak and fold to a stack of chips, yet raise a single $500 chip if I had a hand already. (I'm obviously considering a single chip a weak play, whereas, others might be afraid of such a large chip.......quite the dilemma!!!) on 17. Dec 2003 12:54 tehwinz wrote: > when bluffing, do you prefer to use lots of lower chips or fewer higher ones? > (example 10 * $100 or 2 * $500) Which is more intimidating in general? | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Snorbolus, 18. Dec 2003 07:11 | ||
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| Several of guys who I usually play against sometimes elect to use lots of small chips to make a bet, instead of one big one. As far as I can work out they seem to do this more often when they are becoming concerned about the size of their stack (too small). It is almost as if they like the big chips better and would rather not risk loosing those ones. I have not yet found a way to extract any useful information from this behaviour, because it seems more related to their recent results than to their current hand. As I type though, I find myself wondering if it also tells me something about how they are currently feeling about the way the game is going and how rational and in control I should expect them to play? Snorbolus on 18. Dec 2003 06:48 Risky Business wrote: > I believe this tiny sample of responses is what you're going to discover on the > whole. > It's up to the person you're playing; thus, everyone reading these posts has to ask > themselves "self, how would I play someone in that situation? Would I get any action > from raising with (5) $100 chips vs. (1) $500 chip?" > > Personally, without any other information, I'd probably use the strong-means-weak > and fold to a stack of chips, yet raise a single $500 chip if I had a hand already. > (I'm obviously considering a single chip a weak play, whereas, others might be > afraid of such a large chip.......quite the dilemma!!!) > > on 17. Dec 2003 12:54 tehwinz wrote: > > when bluffing, do you prefer to use lots of lower chips or fewer higher ones? > > (example 10 * $100 or 2 * $500) Which is more intimidating in general? | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, KillBill, 18. Dec 2003 09:57 | ||
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| I have a friend who does this . Its a home tourney game. If he is on a very fishy draw he'll call it everytime with the lowest denomination chip even if he has to use all of them. If he has a hand he call with the least amunt of chips necessary to call the bet. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Blazman, 18. Dec 2003 10:46 | ||
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| Wow, what a great tell to catch you on.. Use up all your small chips when you are bluffing. -Blaz | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, shorn, 18. Dec 2003 11:04 | ||
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| Don't change anything...use the same chips when bluffing as you would when you have it. Against an observant player, you won't get away with your bluff if you alter your betting style. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, Barry T, 18. Dec 2003 11:30 | ||
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| Hi, Subject to the discussion that you should not do much different, my answers are: 1 - Convenient chips. Peole wonder why you are ignoring a bunch of easy to reach chips to dig out some different sized ones from your stack. 2 - In live cash games, use big chips. The sight of a big chip (or wad of cash) seems to work better than a stack of smaller ones. 3 - In on-line games, it still works to try to bet odd amounts ($469) that make the program shove a vey tall stack in, instead of $500, which a tiny chip comes out. IMHO, the impact to a big chip live is lost when seen a minitor. BarryT | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, 4 POKER, 18. Dec 2003 15:04 | ||
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| I think that it depends on who you're trying to bluff and/or if your opponent would even notice or care about how many chips you put in the pot. Psychologically, it may have some impact, but in general, I just vary it up, meaning: sometimes when I have a real hand I'll put in two chips and sometimes I will put in four chips or whatever the chip amount may be. The same would apply if I were bluffing, as well. 4P- | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, JJSCOTT2, 19. Dec 2003 23:05 | ||
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| This is a great topic, one I've thought about alot myself. I play mostly online where you don't get to choose what chips you use to make bets so it doesn't matter either way, but I also play regular twice weekly tournament-style home games and here's what I've noticed. While I can't say what goes for in the B&M's against really tough competition I can give my thoughts, I first started thinking about this when I noticed myself doing something, whenever I was calling a bet that I only felt OK about or I was making a bluff that while I didn't think was likely to be raised but if it were I would have to fold I would stack up many of the lowest denomination chip and use these to put in the pot as I wouldn't feel as bad about parting with them. Now that may seem stupid but keep in mind this was subconcious for a few months before I even noticed I was doing it. So then I watched the other average/mediocre players that I play with(and beat) and noticed that they would play the same way and be much more likely to back down from a bet made with a few of the highest denomination chip. So generally speaking, if I'm bluffing in my opinion, bigger chips. I think what it all comes down to is that when a player has those large denomination chips in front of him they feel this sense of power and security subconciously and they are much more apprehensive about parting with them, so if you put them to a decision for those chips, you will get better results. Keep in mind though, that's only my opinion, and not against any real competition, so don't count my opinion for too much. | ||
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| Re: what chips to use when bluffing?, JJSCOTT2, 19. Dec 2003 23:10 | ||
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| This is a great topic, one I've thought about alot myself. I play mostly online where you don't get to choose what chips you use to make bets so it doesn't matter either way, but I also play regular twice weekly tournament-style home games and here's what I've noticed. While I can't say what goes for in the B&M's against really tough competition I can give my thoughts, I first started thinking about this when I noticed myself doing something, whenever I was calling a bet that I only felt OK about or I was making a bluff that while I didn't think was likely to be raised but if it were I would have to fold I would stack up many of the lowest denomination chip and use these to put in the pot as I wouldn't feel as bad about parting with them. Now that may seem stupid but keep in mind this was subconcious for a few months before I even noticed I was doing it. So then I watched the other average/mediocre players that I play with(and beat) and noticed that they would play the same way and be much more likely to back down from a bet made with a few of the highest denomination chip. So generally speaking, if I'm bluffing in my opinion, bigger chips. I think what it all comes down to is that when a player has those large denomination chips in front of him they feel this sense of power and security subconciously and they are much more apprehensive about parting with them, so if you put them to a decision for those chips, you will get better results. Keep in mind though, that's only my opinion, and not against any real competition, so don't count my opinion for too much. | ||
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