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 ORLEANS POKER ROOM, LJH, 15. Dec 2003 13:26 | ||
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| I JUST TALKED TO THE MANAGER OF THE POKER ROOM. THEY DO NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE STUD POKER TOURNAMENTS ALONG WITH HOLD EM AND O8 ETC. SOME RUMORS THAT HAVE BEEN SPREAD ON THIS FORUM NOW TURN OUT TO BE JUST THAT AND NOT FACTS. ALSO NO CHEATING IS GOING ON, AND NO INVESTIGATION BY THE GAMIING BOARD. AND BY THE WAY THE EYE IN THE SKY IS ON. LJH | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, blisterfoot, 15. Dec 2003 14:03 | ||
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| lol. now, when you say that the poker room manager told you there was no cheating going on, is that a rumor, or is that substantiated with evidence? be careful what you say in a public forum, ljh... it may be libelous to claim that the people who have said there is cheating are liars. sorry, what was I thinking? what i meant was: LOL. NOW, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE POKER ROOM MANAGER TOLD YOU THERE WAS NO CHEATING GOING ON, IS THAT A RUMOR, OR IS THAT SUBSTANTIATED WITH EVIDENCE? BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY IN A PUBLIC FORUM, LJH... IT MAY BE LIBELOUS TO CLAIM THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THERE IS CHEATING ARE LIARS. it's really quite annoying, isn't it? | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, LJH, 15. Dec 2003 16:18 | ||
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| BLISTERFOOS, SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE CALLED ANYONE A LIAR ON THIS FORUM. LJH | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, blisterfoot, 16. Dec 2003 15:47 | ||
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| lol. relax, LJH, i'm just teasing you a little. i just think your blanket statement that "NO CHEATING IS GOING ON" at the Orleans is a little preposterous. i mean, where do you get that from? just because you personally haven't seen any proof? or because the poker room manager TOLD you so? ha! if poker chat rooms across the internet are full of rumors and reports of cheating at the Orleans, how can you possibly say with any kind of authority that there isn't any cheating there? what the hell do you know about it? maybe there is and maybe there isnt'. in my experience, where there's that much smoke, there's usually fire, so it's not hard for me to believe that cheating there does exist. and such opinions or the expression thereof in no way constitute libel or slander. if that's what you think, you better go back and reread your notes from law school, pal. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, LJH, 16. Dec 2003 15:57 | ||
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| blisterfoos, you are as funny as the joker on batman. may you live long and prosper even though you have no dog in this fight. ljh | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, Mikewad, 15. Dec 2003 20:54 | ||
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| Hello, It also may be libelous to claim there is cheating going on somewhere where there is no cheating. Just my personal thoughts. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, FeliciaLee, 15. Dec 2003 14:17 | ||
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| The tournament director told me that they would definitely continue the Stud 8 tourney, just not the Stud high, which is what I am referring to when I say "Stud," not Stud 8 or Stud HL, etc. Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, FeliciaLee, 15. Dec 2003 15:12 | ||
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| I just called and attempted to speak with the tournament director. He was busy, but I talked to Justin (Jason? Jeremy? The background noise was tough). He says that he runs "some" of the tourneys. He said that the Stud tourney are still going, as of this time. He said they "might" discontinue them at the first of the year. He said it was very possible that the tourney director told me that they were going to be discontinued, because they have been discussing it for quite a while due to a slack in attendance. He also stated that they only had 45 participants this past Tuesday. He said that the tourney director probably should not have told me (and others in line) that they were discontinuing the Stud tourney until it was 100% verified (I had him say all of the above twice, because the background noise made it hard to hear). This whole "rumor" thing is once again getting out of control. I tried very hard to make peace with any angry posters last night, but I see it has backfired. It is no crime to repeat what we have "heard" in different poker rooms and around town. We are not reporting it as fact, but yet we are being flamed anyway. I did report that the Stud tourney was being discontinued as a FACT, but that was because I heard it directly out of the mouth of the tourney director, whom I had no reason not to believe. He was telling a lot of the participants about it, as they were waiting in line for their seats. He also told me that they are upping the tournament buy-in to $27. $20 will go for the prize pool ($5 in bounties, as usual), and $7 will go to the house. I had forgotten about this until now, but am I libeling the poker room once again because he told that to me as I was buying in???? OR, since he made an error in judgment, he is SLANDERING the Orleans poker room???? This is said in jest, but truthfully, what possible reason would I have to report that the tourney director told me they were canceling the Stud tourney? That makes no logical sense whatsoever. It is in keeping with the trend of Hold'em becoming so popular, and Stud games dying out. I had no reason to say it, unless I believed it! I love Stud, why would I want them to discontinue the only Stud tourney in town? It would be different if I didn't like world class player "X." If I hated WCP X, and I had a reason to libel him, I could say, "I was playing in a tourney and WCP X came up and stole 3 blacks from my stack!" That would be purposely attempting to hurt, to damage, to libel. But to say that my beloved Stud tourney is being discontinued, due to lack of participation, as told to me by the tourney director himself? Naw, I'm not trying to hurt anyone, I'm just sad, crying in my soup. There would be no logical reason to pass this on, if it weren't true. Just my 2 cents. As usual, I'm waiting to be flamed by a few heated posters... Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, LJH, 15. Dec 2003 16:14 | ||
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| OH FELICIA, STILL ON THE DEFENSIVE I SEE. IF YOU HAD. NOT STARTED ALL THE RUMORS IT WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO THIS. CAN YOU NOT DESIST IN TRYING TO PROTECT AND TO PROMOTE YOUSELF. I HAPPEN TO LIKE THE TRUTH. LJH | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, Waddy, 15. Dec 2003 18:19 | ||
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| Felicia, I want you to know that I don't doubt anything you say, however, I cannot believe that someone in table games would know whether a surveillance camera is working or not working. Let me tell you based on eleven years experience, if a camera is not working and that area of the casino cannot be covered, that area would NOT be open to the public. Like I said earlier, I've been in table games AND surveillance and there is NO WAY that surveillance would let anybody know if a camera is not functioning correctly and if it was not-the Gaming Commission would not allow that area to be open! As I said before, I know the Director of Surveillance for Coast Casinos and he is a total professional. You can see him on many of the travel channel episodes that concern the area of surveillance. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, LJH, 15. Dec 2003 19:38 | ||
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| WADDY, YOU KNOW THAT THE ORLEANS HAS BAD BEAT JACKPOTS GOING ALL DAY AND NIGHT, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SPY IN THE SKY TO MAKE SURE NOTHING FUNNY HAPPENS. LJH | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, Waddy, 15. Dec 2003 19:41 | ||
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| I don't know anything about the orleans poker room except that i know the surveillance director and that I have been in the casino business for quite sometime. As I said earlier, no surveillance department would ever tell anyone about whether the equipment was working or not. If the equipment was not working, the gaming commission would not let that area open. I believe the eye in the sky would be capable of observing the room if it had bad beats or not. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, FeliciaLee, 15. Dec 2003 23:27 | ||
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| Thank you. Did you say yesterday that you are from the midwest? Did you ever work for Ameristar (previously St. Charles Station)? I am originally from St. Louis, and that is how poker had it's beginnings for me. My Mom worked in the travel section of the casino, but when they decided to outsource their travel, they offered to send her to dealer's school. She accepted, and became a poker dealer! This was when the casino first opened. I have played at Ameristar many times, and will be there over the Christmas holidays. Do you still live in the area? Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, Waddy, 16. Dec 2003 05:07 | ||
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| Yes, I live in the midwest as of right now and will be moving to Las Vegas this coming summer once my wife finishes chiropractic school. I have never been to St. Charles. I used to floor at Harrahs North Kansas City and have been to Ameristar in Kansas City on several occasions (mainly when it was station). I have always wanted to visit the St. Louis casinos but have never made it. My stops in the casino business include Harrahs Joliet; Harrahs N. Kansas City; and the Isle of Capri in Bettendorf, Iowa. My next stop most likely will be Harrahs Las Vegas. | ||
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| Re: Moving to Vegas, FeliciaLee, 16. Dec 2003 11:40 | ||
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| Oh, drats! Well, maybe once you move out to Nevada, we will meet up. Laughlin is only 90 miles southeast of Vegas. I have met up with some of the other posters here and on other poker forums. You will probably want to join the WPDG once you move to Vegas. They are a great bunch of people! Dr. Shoonmaker started that group, and I have nothing but positive to say about their discussions. Chiropractics probably do really well in Vegas. Just an assumption, but so many of us are sitting on our butt's, whether we are playing in a casino, or working in one, that back adjustment must be very high in demand. LOL! Good luck on your upcoming move! You will enjoy the weather, I'm sure! Felicia :) on 16. Dec 2003 05:07 Waddy wrote: > Yes, I live in the midwest as of right now and will be moving to Las Vegas this coming summer once my > wife finishes chiropractic school. I have never been to St. Charles. I used to floor at Harrahs North > Kansas City and have been to Ameristar in Kansas City on several occasions (mainly when it was station). > I have always wanted to visit the St. Louis casinos but have never made it. My stops in the casino > business include Harrahs Joliet; Harrahs N. Kansas City; and the Isle of Capri in Bettendorf, Iowa. My > next stop most likely will be Harrahs Las Vegas. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, timmer, 16. Dec 2003 10:37 | ||
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| the cameras ARE recording the action . If those tapes are being handled lawfully or being scrutinized by the casino anti theft division is a matter of internal security | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, Waddy, 16. Dec 2003 10:54 | ||
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| Exactly Timmer, they are ALWAYS recording! As I said earlier, if they were not, it would NOT be open. It kills me that somebody in the poker room would actually tell a customer that some of the cameras are not working. There may be some fishy stuff going on there but thats a bunch of b.s. that the cameras are not recording. Especially these days w/ the digital surveillance systems that are being used out there. | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, FeliciaLee, 16. Dec 2003 11:17 | ||
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| Whether they are lying, or there is some indescretion going on, I don't know. I do know that the staff in poker rooms speak too much. If you read my post on the 10/20 game at the Belle, and the cheating going on there one night, you also saw that the poker room MANAGER told me that not all tables are being monitored and/or recorded. He said rarely any real recording goes on, and only six of the ten tables are even being monitored at all. That is why cheating was going on in the 10/20, yet we were unable to "prove it." That is why I lost the "side pot" $10 with my pocket jacks, at another time, yet no one was able to "run back" the tape, to prove that the dealer had made an error. James always comments on what tables are being monitored, if any, and how he sits in the surveillance room sometimes to watch what is going on in the poker room, and see if any of his staff is up to no good. When I was in AC, the Trop was having trouble with players palming chips to reuse later, and stealing chips off of other's stacks during breaks. I was told once that they could not find out who stole some blacks from my stack, due to the fact that "cameras are not run in the tournament room." This was a separate room from the poker room, inside the racebook area, with about 20 tables. Later, when the cheating got so bad that management was compelled to do something about it, I was told that they were "going to turn the cameras back on in the tournament area." These are not the only instances I have been told about camera surveillance. I have travelled and played all over the United States, and have heard many things like the above, from poker room staff. Maybe they just want to get this "pesty woman" out of their faces. So they make things up. Maybe they think they know more than they actually know. I have heard many players talk about the cameras, over the years, on poker discussion forums. "The poker room managers said, 'xxx' about the camera surveillance in his room." Etc, etc. I am definitely not saying this is CORRECT. Nor am I trying to assert that what I, personally, heard was true. I just know it is being SAID. If you would like, I will press James, our poker room manager, more about why he is able to view surveillance, and why he is permitted to tell players how many cameras are being run at any given time, if we are being recorded, etc. Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: ORLEANS POKER ROOM, timmer, 16. Dec 2003 10:29 | ||
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| why would any (stud) players take on that kind of juice ? | ||
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