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 Thinking Required, for no limit, ADAM THE EXPERT, 15. Dec 2003 10:26 | ||
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| Ok, After being polite enough, not to hog the student union's computer, I found out that the University library offers free computer use, even to non-students!!! So, now I'll have plenty of time, to discuss all the juicy poker subjects, that Y'all are just Dying to hear!! (Thank you, University of Nevada, Reno!! ! ! ! ! ! !) Earlier, I mentioned the REAL no limit hold em game at the El Dorado in Reno. (Remember newcomers, this AIN'T your "we're gonna protect you from yourselves, "max buy in" kind of hold em. This is REAL no limit, buy in for what you will!!! For those new to poker, I do not suggest getting involved with this type of poker. No limit hold em, is NOT for the beginner. Uh, gee, I know, you wish you could be just like the people you see on World Poker Tour. Maybe you will. But first, you are going to have to see, if you are capable of THINKING like a no limit player. Please following along my evaluation of the following hand, and see if you understand the thought processes that (should) have been involved. Adam the Expert does not wish to see any of my fans/friends/students get their proverbial BUTT kicked, so please, stay away from this type of game, until you are READY! First, let me describe the structure of this game. The blinds are: two, three, and five (note to internet players: most "real" no limit games, are played with three, not two blinds). The minimum amount to open, is $10, and any player may "kill" for $20 (posts an additional blind, receives last action, and doubles the minimum amount required to open the pot.) The "live one" has been losing B IG TIME for days! and has about $3,000. Randy, (Brother of Adam the Expert. has $1600, and the "killer" old man, has more than $6,000. Killer man, makes it $20 to go. Randy opens for $40 with pocket nines, is called by "live one" in the small blind, and killer man, just called. Pot total: $130 (Adam the Expert folded in the Big blind) Now, let me tell you something about "live one guy" hey seemed to have an unlimited amount of money to lose, and bet well over 90 PERCENT of ALL flops ! ! ! ! ! Also, his betting patterns, were predictable. Randy noticed, that whenever he bet exactly $200, it was a bluff, or a draw. Ok, the flop comes: 8 9 10 all different suits. Live one guy, bets out $200. Now, Randy being VERY sure of his "betting tell" is convinced that live one guy does not have him beaten, and goes all in for his $1600. Killer man, folds (big relief for Randy) and live one guy folds, after thinking for a full minute. Ok, all of my readers know, that I do not believe in giving up any free cards. But, that is the rule, and their are exceptions to that rule. Sad the say, Randy my dear brother, made a very bad play!!! I should mention, that whatever the turn card was, live one guy, would certainly either bet again, or call three or four hundred, and would call again for all Randy could cover, on the river. Certainly he would call a raise on the flop, for $200 or $300 more, having already put in $200. So, was it worth the risk for Randy to flat call, or raise only the minimum? First we have to consider the possihillibillity that his set of nines, was not the best hand!! with a totally sequential flop like 8 9 10, there is a fair chance that either player, flopped a straight-there are three combinations of hole cards to produce the straight, and all of them are playable hands, as far as killer guy and live one guy were concerned. (67, 7J QJ) Now, the Adam the Expert rule in no limit is: if the pot is large, look to win the pot. If the pot is small, but the opponents stacks are large, look to win those stacks. Pretty simple stuff, I'm not saying I invented this concept. (Roy, how's that for humility) So, even though and 6, 7 Q, or J, makes a very scary turn card for Randy's set of nines-having only $40 in the pot, and the current pot (including live one guy's $200 bet) being only $340, AND the possihillibillity that Killer guy (who acted after Randy) had him beaten, he should have raised only the minumum. If killer guy goes all in, he saves $1200, and he makes 200 more, from live one guy, at the minimum. if the scare straight card does NOT hit the turn, Randy will be able to get a call of up to 6 or 8 hundred, if live one guy has a Jack, or two pair. If the board pairs on the turn, Randy can make a "suction" bet (small bet with a big hand, to lure people in) of $300 or $400, and live one guy would still call for his straight, drawing totally dead. And, he would have called the rest on the river, if he made his hand. An agrument can also be made, for smooth-calling the flop. If the straight card hts the turn, Randy is out the minumum. But the main reason is: live one guy, LOVED to make bets of $500 on the turn, and river, with NOTHING. Now, once he bets the 500 on the turn, we have reverted back to the "no free cards" concept. with a pot now totalling $1030, it's now worth protecting with an all in raise. Also, just because a 6 or J hit, doesn't mean that live one guy had the necessary Queen or seven to make the straight. Really only the 7 and Q are the only cards that Randy really doesn't like. with only $530 to lose, but 1930 to potentially win, Randy should have slowplayed, and hoped for a non-scare card on the turn. Remember this fans, no limit hole em, is only ONE of many, many forms of poker available to you. And the games, are few and far between. Just because this is what you see on television, does NOT mean that that's what you have to play!! The is plenty of money to be made, in other games that don't require the YEARS of experience to master!! See you in Tunica. Adam | ||
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| Re: Thinking Required, for no limit, Hot Allen, 15. Dec 2003 11:30 | ||
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| ADAM, I agree with mostly everything you have pointed out in this post. I understand the logic behind why you feel more money might have been made if Randy had not put in such a large bet on the flop, it's probably true. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say say it was very big mistake. I know that when I play NL (mind you 90% of the poker I play in 10/20 limit) I feel that table image is a lot, even more so in this style of a game then in limit. Perhaps by putting in big bet and having the other 2 fold, it provided Randy with a valuable image that could serve to make even more money in future hands. I don't what exactly everyone represented (image wise), but I feel this is not be overlooked. I feel that a lot of new players to poker might read your above post and only extract the main detail you were pointing out (about making more money by slowing down) and not pick up on the other point that was hidden in there (about making decisions in regards to what you know about the others players). Anyways, I feel you make a lot of good points on this site and I enjoy reading your entertaining posts, I thought I'd just clarify that point to any beginners out there. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Thinking Required, for no limit, New, 24. Dec 2003 13:07 | ||
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| Adam, Im a newbie, can you suggest a couple books Thanks | ||
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| Re: Thinking Required, for no limit, ADAM THE EXPERT, 26. Dec 2003 00:06 | ||
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| Hello, I don't have much time, am using the hotel's computer (nice of them) You didn't mention what game(s) you play!!! I like : From the kitchen table to the tournment final table, by George "profit" Alias. This book covers all games, even "home" type Games. Anything by Mike Caro is good, and (like Adam The Expert) is entertaining, and written in a manner that makes it FUN to learn!! When I get my computer back, I will try to give a more complete answer Adam | ||
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| Re: Thinking Required, for no limit, SmallFeesh, 26. Dec 2003 01:46 | ||
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| well... from what its worth from your local feesh... i agree with adam... pointing out here that by going all in our hero is reduced now to either taking a prospectively small pot in relation to his stack/other stacks/money potential on the strong hand, or being called by what has most likely got him crushed if he is indeed called... obviously he relys deeply in his tell.. as so he should... but he still has one other person in the hand.. killer dude... who could very well have the straight as it sits... or.. god forbid... a bigger set..... slow playing in the amount of the minimum raise is by far the better choice... why not outplay instead of bully?? if our hero is good enouph to sit in this game then i would hope he is good enough to out play his opponents on a hand such as this... | ||
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| Re: Thinking Required, for no limit, New, 26. Dec 2003 10:59 | ||
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| Thanks for the responce. Holdem is the game. I've people mention a book by Ken Warren. Pat | ||
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