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 3 sunday special hands for review, Bond18, 14. Dec 2003 17:36 | ||
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| I played the sunday special today after winning my way in through the satellites. Now, 1500 guys for 60,000 is enormously more than i'd played for before, my largest multi previously being 50+5 for like 7k. I finished 217th outta 1488, short of the money by a good 150 players, and me more than anybody is very disppointed with that finish. Although to my credit, i was not dealt a single pocket pair TT or above accept one JJ early which had an A on the flop. I also was not dealt on AK or AJ, and all 3 AQ hands were dealth either UTG or in SB, out of position. There is 3 key hands which i would like to submit for review from the tournament. blinds 50/100 and i have AQo in the SB, 3 limpers, i raise to 250 to try and push some out, only one folds, so 4 see the flop. Flop comes 2 6 Q and i bet 600 into a pot of 1000, fold fold and then the big stack thinks, and thinks, and then he is disconnected and sees a free 2 cards with a very suspecious QT. I immediately tell him how incredibly cheap that was and half the people on the table are telling him what massive crap that was. I won the hand but i beleive my mistake was not reporting him, as of course he was immediately in the next hand and for the whole 3 hours of the tournament (i was at his table start to finish) he did not have one similar occurance. What would PP support have done here? Hand two, i have AdTs in the SB at 100/200 with a stack of about 6000 and 3 limp and i call to see a flop and BB checks. Flop comes 4 K A all spades. I bet 550 into the 1000 and all fold and we are back to mr. disconnect whos play i had been intensely watching. I had noticed that with any hand like AJ or QQ he always rasied the minimum PF, and this time he had not raised at all in middle position, just called. He thinks for a minute then pushes all in for about 1800 more. I think about this and decide he woudlnt' move in with a made flush, and with a higher A then my ten he woudl of raised PF. So i call him, no spade comes, and lose to AK, he didn't raise PF outta midlde with AK? How do you guys think i played this hand? My last hand of the tourny i had about 4200 in chips in the SB, blinds 200/400 and a player in MP makes minimum raise to 800. I find AQo in my SB and think about pushing, but decide that with a medium pair he'd immediately call me and have good chance at putting me out, and only A he could have to beat me is AK, which normally gets more than minimum raise. So i call figuring if i totally miss i still have enough chips to play. We are heads up and flop comes 4 A 4, i check to him and he bets a weak 400, i reriase all in, he delays then calls with an AK and im out. Any comments, questions or concerns? | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, Brian Starr, 15. Dec 2003 00:46 | ||
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| Tony-I know you are a more experienced player than me, but I'll give it a shot: Hand 1: I think I would have raised more here preflop- I agree that your goal is to push out the limpers or even take the pot right there, but I dont think your raise was big enough. With the blinds at 50/100 i would have raised to 350 or 400 (although I'm not sure how many chips you have at this point.) The disconnecting thing really pisses me off, but I don't think party would have done anything if you had reported him. I reported someone in a similar circumstance a few weeks ago. The floorperson said they would look into it, but I never heard back. I definitely agree though that it sounds extremely fishy. Hand 2: I would have made a reluctant laydown here. As hard as it is to believe that he has you beat, and as much as you don't want to be pushed around, you have to realize that A10 is a marginal hand precisely for this reason- it is too easily dominated by AJ, AQ and AK, it is too easy too be outkicked, and you will rarely find yourself up against someone with A9 or lower. I have found that one of my biggest leaks in tourneys are my blinds. I see the flop with cards I normally wouldnt play, and end up getting outkicked with my top pair, crappy kicker. I do have to say though, in your defense, if you feel you have an accurate read on someone, you should go with it. You have to be able to trust your reads, Hand 3: I don't know if you could have avoided losing it all on this hand. I would have considered betting into him, maybe 1,000, then if he raised you could be fairly certain you were beat. However, I like that you got your chips in there first, and made him make the decision to call/fold. I would say that 217th is a pretty good finish, considering your lack of premium cards. Keep up your solid play, and I'm sure you will be in the winners circle soon. | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, Bond18, 15. Dec 2003 08:39 | ||
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| Thanks, i definately agree with your review of the first hand, with that many limpers i should of made it at least 350, and i think it was probably an unnecessary risk on the 2nd hand, however i had been watching him closely and he raised every AJ or better, so i wasn't to pissed about that one. | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, Jordan, 16. Dec 2003 10:20 | ||
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| I don't know if I like the raise out of the SB with AQo. I guess it worked in this scenario but you're raising out of position with a good hand, but I don't think it's strong enough to raise from this spot. In my experience everytime I get AK UTG and I make a decently good raise with this hand, I've forgotten there are many hands to act after me and I put myself in a bad spot having to act first and hoping i hit an A or K on the flop so I can bet confidently. I know these are two slightly different situations but that's just my opinion. 2nd hand-I've found I do the same thing from the blinds and I get myself into thinking that I hit top pair, I must have the best hand no matter what and I rationalize and put too many of my chips at risk with a marginal holding such as A10. As you said there were three spades on the flop which is scary enough as it is since you didn't have one. Why bet so much with top pair, 10 kicker with the chance that he's crazy and will call you down even with just the Ace of Spades hoping to hit a flush. I think there are better spots to put your chips in. Something I've learned recently is it's not always the best thing to push as hard as you can everytime you think you have the best hand. There's always a possibility somebody hit something you wouldn't think about or they're just a bad player and WILL hit something on a draw. Don't get into the thinking that 'you're entitled to win every pot' when you start off with a good hand. In this case, he had the better hand and his raise all-in most likely should have let you known that. Even if he didn't raise preflop in this situation, people like to vary up their play. I wouldn't base that many chips on 'this is how he's done it in the past". If he's not likely to raise all-in on a bluff or without a very strong holding, I'd most likely lay this down. 3rd hand-This seems like another thing I've done in the past. Even though you have good reason to think you have the best hand, I don't think the best way to find out is by pushing in all your chips. He's going to call with top, top. Most of the time I have to have AT LEAST the top pair, and top kicker with no other really strong draws out there (3 to a flush or 3 in a row for a straight) to go all-in with or make a very large bet. I can't tell you how many times I see idiots going all-in with top pair and weak kicker or draws. You have to even fold top, top a lot of the times when a solid opponents goes in over the top of you. If he's a bluffer or loose, it's another story. Hope this helps. | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, duquedelsol, 16. Dec 2003 16:17 | ||
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| While you can keep a wary eye out for the guy who disconnected - I have gotten legitimately disconnected at some very suspicious times myself - it does happen...I actually reported myself once when I was being talked about to let the PP people know what happened... If it happens once early in a tournament - schluff it off and make a note of it...if it happens TWICE...THEN report it...but what you DON'T want to have happen is let THAT instance throw you off your game (not saying that it did - just making a general comment)... | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, Brian Starr, 17. Dec 2003 04:31 | ||
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| Jordan- I think you are advocating playing way too passively on the first hand. First of all, maybe your troubles with AK are that you dont raise a big enough amount to get people out. Also, raising from the SB is different than raising utg, because you have already seen everyone act preflop, and they all limped, meaning it is unlikely that they have strong hands. I know some people like to limp with AA or KK when it gets shorthanded, but at a full table in a tourney, I think he can be pretty sure he has the best hand. Even if an A or Q doesnt come, if he has limited the field to 2-3 people he should still be able to win the pot with a bet on the flop. | ||
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| Re: 3 sunday special hands for review, Bond18, 17. Dec 2003 12:07 | ||
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| One thing though jordan, i had the ten of spades on the 2nd hand, so i had the draw to. | ||
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