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 Two tourney hands for you to consider..., redsoxasu, 14. Dec 2003 14:57 | ||
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| OK I ran into two hands the other night, i thought I'd run it by the board to see whether I played them correctly. I will post the result afterwards, but I'd appreciate a response without knowing the outcome. Hand 1: Home game tournament, second level ($40 in chips to start, $.50/$1 blinds, NLHE 9 handed). I have roughly the starting ammont of chips having not entered a big pot yet. Folded to me in the cutoff i wake up on AhKh. I make it $5 to go (the standard raise is to about $3, so a raise like this screams strength). Button immediatly raises to $15. Button player is a loose player, but is not stupid enough to re-raise me when he's holding nothing, so I have to respect his hand as a premium one. However, he is steaming from two previous losses, so I also consider that he might try to reraise here to take the pot with something like AQo or AJo. I call figuring if I dont hit something big, I can let it go easily. The flop comes Jh, 7h, 3s. I figure im gonna get a bet, so I hope at this point he has JJ and will try to trap me with a small bet. I check and he immediatly goes all-in. At this point I put him on KK or AA and not the jacks. I normally would let this hand go with no problem, but there's $32.50 in the pot already, and calling would leave me with about $8 in chips with about a 33% chance to hit my flush. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? HAND 2: Different game, similar level/starting ammounts. This time I have about $25 in chips. UTG player raises to $5, at this point this player plays strong hands, but is a likely person to bluff from this position. he also has a massive chip lead, which makes me more positive that he's playing a strong hand, as he doesn't like to bleed his chips. Well, folded around to me and I wake up on KhKs a nice hand but I'm weary of AA from the UTG player. I just call and it's folded around and we're heads up. Flop comes down Kd, 7d, 3s. UTG player bets $7 into a $11.50 pot. I have the set, and also fairly confident this player wouldn't play hands like KJo, or KTo, but he might play AXs, and maybe he's got diamonds. I've got the nuts at this point, and I want the big stack to pay me off, but I don't want him to out draw me with AA or AXd. I figure my choices are to call and take my chanced he doesn't improve, or go all-in and hope he lays it down. I figure he's a tight person who doesn't want to double up a small stack and will lay down any drawing hands. I would rather have a call from AA, where he only has 2 outs, compared to the 9 outs from suited cards. So i think for awhile, CALL or ALL-IN? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I will post what I did in a response, but I'd appreciate thoughts before you know the outcome, I will also edit in any info that I left out. | ||
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| HOW IT TURNED OUT, redsoxasu, 14. Dec 2003 15:04 | ||
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| So by now you know the situations, formuated your own decisions, and maybe replied. Now you find out how I played them. Hand 1: After thinking for awhile, I called his all-in with my flush draw. The rest of the table was quite suprised that I did. He flips over KK, which gives me a few more outs. I ended up hitting a heart on the turn and knocking him out. He was shocked that I would make that call so early, but he admitted in a similar situation he would make the call. Everyone also realized why i had to sit in the tank for about 5 minutes before making the call :) Hand 2: I decided to move all-in. I figured I'd get a call from AA or KXo, and if he outdraws me with AXs, then he outdraws me. He goes into the tank, thinks, and folds Qs7s!!! Knowing he was on a semi-bluff I should've smooth called, but that's poker! | ||
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| Re: HOW IT TURNED OUT, Jordan, 16. Dec 2003 10:56 | ||
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| how does his KK give you more outs? now hitting a king hurts you. An ace is still a good out but I'm not following. | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hands for you to consider..., Aisthesis, 14. Dec 2003 16:05 | ||
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| posting before reading results as requested; comments in the thread of the hand on 14. Dec 2003 14:57 redsoxasu wrote: > OK I ran into two hands the other night, i thought I'd run it by the board to > see whether I played them correctly. I will post the result afterwards, but I'd > appreciate a response without knowing the outcome. > > Hand 1: Home game tournament, second level ($40 in chips to start, $.50/$1 > blinds, NLHE 9 handed). I have roughly the starting ammont of chips having not > entered a big pot yet. Folded to me in the cutoff i wake up on AhKh. I make it > $5 to go (the standard raise is to about $3, so a raise like this screams > strength). Button immediatly raises to $15. Button player is a loose player, I'm not completely enthusiastic about the amount of your raise. With the relationship of blinds to stack, I would have preferred maybe $4, but $5 is doable. I'm also not terribly enthusiastic about calling the re-raise--but under the circumstances, both plays may be tenable. > but is not stupid enough to re-raise me when he's holding nothing, so I have to > respect his hand as a premium one. However, he is steaming from two previous > losses, so I also consider that he might try to reraise here to take the pot > with something like AQo or AJo. I call figuring if I dont hit something big, I > can let it go easily. The flop comes Jh, 7h, 3s. I figure im gonna get a bet, > so I hope at this point he has JJ and will try to trap me with a small bet. I > check and he immediatly goes all-in. At this point I put him on KK or AA and > not the jacks. I normally would let this hand go with no problem, but there's > $32.50 in the pot already, and calling would leave me with about $8 in chips > with about a 33% chance to hit my flush. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? > Definitely call. In fact, on that flop, with the nut flush draw, I would have put all-in myself at that stage. You're crippled if you don't take this pot, so I would have given it a shot before even giving him a chance to bet. He could also be putting you on JJ. > HAND 2: > Different game, similar level/starting ammounts. This time I have about $25 in > chips. UTG player raises to $5, at this point this player plays strong hands, > but is a likely person to bluff from this position. he also has a massive chip > lead, which makes me more positive that he's playing a strong hand, as he > doesn't like to bleed his chips. Well, folded around to me and I wake up on > KhKs a nice hand but I'm weary of AA from the UTG player. I just call and it's > folded around and we're heads up. Flop comes down Kd, 7d, 3s. UTG player bets > $7 into a $11.50 pot. I have the set, and also fairly confident this player > wouldn't play hands like KJo, or KTo, but he might play AXs, and maybe he's got > diamonds. I've got the nuts at this point, and I want the big stack to pay me > off, but I don't want him to out draw me with AA or AXd. I figure my choices > are to call and take my chanced he doesn't improve, or go all-in and hope he > lays it down. I figure he's a tight person who doesn't want to double up a > small stack and will lay down any drawing hands. I would rather have a call > from AA, where he only has 2 outs, compared to the 9 outs from suited cards. So > i think for awhile, CALL or ALL-IN? WHAT WOULD YOU DO? > Definitely all-in. I would have in fact gone all-in pre-flop. KK is in my view a monster, and AA is rare enough that you shouldn't worry about it too much (with the exception that you KNOW he wouldn't raise UTG with anything but AA). You're shortstacked and need some chips. So, again, I'd say all-in pre-flop as best play, but given that you just called, definitely all-in immediately on that flop. > I will post what I did in a response, but I'd appreciate thoughts before you > know the outcome, I will also edit in any info that I left out. | ||
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| Re: Two tourney hands for you to consider..., Jordan, 16. Dec 2003 10:53 | ||
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| 1st hand-I would have most likely folded unless you picked up a strong tell that he's either full of it or trying to bully you out of the pot. I know it's tempting to call him down with that flush draw but I don't know that your K or A would be clean outs and I don't think your 35% shot at hitting a flush is worth calling most of your money with. 2nd hand-By the way he's bet this hand, I think either he's got AK and potentially the AK of diamonds but that's doubtful. Maybe he's got AA but that's not too likely. Seems like he's betting out what he thinks is the best hand so I'd smooth call him and then raise him later. Take your chances here for a big payoff. | ||
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