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 Heads up with QQ, mfs, 13. Dec 2003 22:15 | ||
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| I am in a 6-12 B&M holdem game. It is fairly tight and not overly aggressive. I raise utg with QhQd. The player to my left reraises. She is fairly tight player who only raises when she has a big hand. In the four hours that I played with her she raised three times; her hands were AA, QQ, AKs. This is the first time that I had seen her reraise so I figured that she had a hand similar to these. She also knows that I am a solid player so she is clearly not trying to isolate me. Everyone else folds. The flop comes 8c6s2s. I bet, she raises, I fold. With any other player at the table I would have reraised on the flop. My thinking is, for her to three bet me before the flop she must have had a hand like AA, KK, or AKsuited. I don't think she would have reraised before the flop with JJ or TT and I never saw her bluff once. Add to the fact that the pot was small I figured chances were that I was either beat already or was an underdog to her big draw. How would you have played this? | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, 4 POKER, 13. Dec 2003 22:51 | ||
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| How many sessions have you played with this woman? I'm saying this because.... just because she may have been a tight player, and you may have witnessed some of her raising hands, it doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't/wouldn't have reraised you with a lesser hand than what you were holding. I'm a fairly tight player myself but, if I were in a tight game and someone raised right in front of me and I looked down and saw J-J, 10-10, 9-9, AK, or even AQ suited, I would 3 bet it because I would be looking to take the hand against one opponent, (as those holdings tend to play better that way at times, and I'd be giving myself a good chance at gaining position as well), and I would also think that my hand may just be the best hand anyway. Even if I thought that the original preflop player was solid, if I'm going to play a hand like J-J, AK suited, etc. I'd prefer to reraise it given the tight table texture. If I was holding Q-Q, I would not fold on the flop with that board. If I lead at the flop (like you did), and she raised me, I would call, or perhaps I would raise it back. (that depends). If the turn brought another baby card, I would (probably) lead at it again as to not want to give a free card there in the likelyhood that my opponent may still be just drawing to overcards, or a pocket pair that was less than what I was holding. Perhaps she held AK suited and flopped the flush draw w/two overcards. (I would not rule out that possibility unless the player was so tight and had no imagination whatsoever). I just don't see how you could only give her the two possible preflop holdings that could have you beat. A few questions....Was she that tight. Was she that predictable. Did you play that many sessions with her that would cause you to come to those conclusions regarding her tendencies and standards. What do you think she would have done if she held J-J after you raised it coming in...just call? No chance of her reraising you preflop with less...AK suited.... A smaller pair? If you really put her on A-A or K-K, then why did you bet the flop?! Keep in mind, if she did have a smaller pair than Q-Q, don't you think it could be possible that she liked that low flop that came up, and that she thought that it was a good flop for her and that's why she raised you when you lead at it? (I'm just throwing some thoughts your way, that's all). Now I'm all for saving bets - but I wouldn't relinquish my hand just like that. She's going to have to show me a better hand in that spot. That's just my opinion. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, shorn, 15. Dec 2003 11:10 | ||
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| I agree with 4P here. You can't release that quickly with that flop unless you know this woman like the back of your hand. I call the riase and lead the turn unless an Ace or King comes and if she raises me again, then I would consider folding. Might just check call the river though and make her show me the goods. | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:25 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:25 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:27 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:28 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:29 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:32 | ||
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| from the way you describe the situation I would have put her on A_A and saved my stack. It takes a man to be able to make a laydown like that. Its like when you have K_K and an ace flops and you get action youd be surprised how many players will take it all the way to the river. But youll never really know what she had ! | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 03:37 | ||
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| Im really not retarded the message was not going through. | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, Snorbolus, 15. Dec 2003 13:10 | ||
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| You could have deleted a few of the extra posts once you noticed them though. on 14. Dec 2003 03:37 Mikewad wrote: > Im really not retarded the message was not going through. | ||
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| Re: Heads up with QQ, WilliamS, 15. Dec 2003 12:01 | ||
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| No way I'm laying QQ down in that situation. She could be playing anything from 88 through AQ the exact same way. Really, her play on the flop is almost automatic regardless of her cards. Anything she reraises with preflop calls for her to raise on the flop; either representing a big pair or trying for a free card with overcards. I think the correct play is to 3-bet or call and lead out at the turn. The most credit I would give her is to check call the hand down. You are giving this woman the keys to rob you blind if you will lay down this hand that easily. As a matter of fact, in a heads up situation you have to consider seeing this hand to the river even if an overcard comes up. Just my opinion Will | ||
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