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 How many bets did I miss?, jaustin, 12. Dec 2003 11:01 | ||
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| Ok, I think I played this way too timid. KK has been my biggest loser according to PokerTracker (only 5 days worth of data) and I might have gotten gun shy. Dealt KK in MP. All fold to me, I raise, next player 3 bets and SB calls. I call for deception. Flop come AK9 (rainbow). I lead and get raised. SB folds. I put raiser on either AA or AK and figure that I'll bet the turn and if he raises again, I'll give him credit for AA. Turn is a Q, I bet and get raised again. I call. River is a blank. I check/call and he shows AQ. Not having a good read on this player (first time I played with him), should I have played this hand more aggressively. Part of my thinking for just calling his raise on the flop was that it would keep the true power of my hand concealed and if he did have AK he might assume it was good and keep betting it hard and if he had AA I would save some bets. I think where I was too timid was on the turn, as he would likely have raised with AK (or AQ as he did here). Side note: Two hands later get KK again, get re-raised and end up losing to trip jacks, so KK remains my biggest loser. | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, JLenart, 12. Dec 2003 11:11 | ||
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| I'd have pushed him hard on the flop. He'd likely have reraised preflop if he had aces. Your Set of Kings on the flop is monster. Pray that he was playing AK or make him pay dearly to draw to his straight if thats what he's on. Anyway. I play my flopped sets fast and hard. You don't want to give him a drawing card for free with that many bets in the pot. Don't be that afraid of KK, you seem to be on a bad run with them but those numbers will turn around eventually | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, R4, 12. Dec 2003 11:26 | ||
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| I would have on capped b4 the flop because I am a big favorite to win and if I can get 2 more bets (both players call your cap) in the pot all the better (so you lost 2 bets there). As far as deception - why? You want the others to think you are big b4 the flop so they don't suck out on you. With the way you played the pre-flop you could have check raised the flop and jammed the pot when SB folded. You chose to lead and it worked out because you got a fold and a raise - why not reraise (cost yourself a bet maybe 2 here)? The Being that the turn was a Q and you bet and were raised I thought a call was in order and a check call on the river was fine because not only could he have AA he could also be a weakie playing JT (crazy as it sounds it happens all the time). Bottom line is I think you lost out on 4 bets. | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, R4, 12. Dec 2003 11:46 | ||
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| One other question for you to consider. You said you would bet the turn and if he raised you would give him credit for AA which beats your KK. If you really beleived you did not have the best hand the correct play was to fold. The reason you didn't fold is becasue you didn't beleive you were 2nd best and that's exactly why you should have rasied. | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, 4 POKER, 12. Dec 2003 11:36 | ||
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| Hi- You stated that you just called his flop raise because you felt that it would conceal your hand more, but you didn't react to his raise throughout the rest of the betting. The only two hands that beat you is A-A and J-10, and I doubt that he would have 3 bet you coming in with J-10. But regardless. I would have capped the pot before the flop, on the flop, on the turn, and perhaps, even on the river if he raised me after I lead out. Show me a better hand. When you hold a very strong hand coming in and you flop a set with a board that is 'also' favorable for many of the typical raising hands that your opponents may hold...they are going to play back at YOU very hard, right? Players 'will' get aggressive with AK, AQ etc., especially when they flop top pair or two pair. (That's why I would play back even harder if I flopped a set with a board that will likely cause my opponent to lose a lot of chips). Unless you really knew this player and knew that he was not capable of raising and reraising you with less than trip Aces, I think you needed to be more aggressive here. You said that if he raises you on the turn that you'll give him credit for A-A. (If that was the case then you should have folded). (but you shouldn't always fear the worse case scenerio). Yeah, it happens...but. I would have tested the waters a little bit more. Those flops don't come around all that often, and when you're heads up especially....maximize on it. 4P- | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, magnus, 12. Dec 2003 11:51 | ||
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| This is similar to a hand I had the other day (at least pre-turn), and I just had to share (there is no Good Beats group.... lol) I get QQ in early position and raises, LP and blinds call. Flop comes AKQ giving me a set of Q. SB bets, BB calls, I raises (to see what out there and make it hard for LP to call if he is on a str8 draw). LP folds, SB raises (hmmm, smells like str8 to me) BB calls (high card pair or 2 pairs), I call when I figured I was behind but with outs. Turn brings be the magic forth Q, SB bets, BB calls, I raise, SB re-raise (hmmm, maybe he just got a boat instead of the str8 I though) BB calls, I cap and everybody calls. River is a blank and the whole betting is repeated to the cap. I show my quad Q and take down a pot of 34BB (biggest pot I have won!!!) A very nice feeling.... -Magnus | ||
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| Re: How many bets did I miss?, KJo, 12. Dec 2003 14:25 | ||
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| Everyone's right, I agree that you played it too timid. One thing to add- you said you called rather than raised pre-flop for deception. However, you never acted on that even when your hand hit. If you're gonna deceive them pre-flop, you've gotta make 'em pay up later. And let's face it, if the other guy has AA, more power to him, god bless him, and you're gonna lose a ton. Nothing you can do about it. Eli on 12. Dec 2003 11:01 jaustin wrote: > Ok, I think I played this way too timid. KK has been my biggest loser according > to PokerTracker (only 5 days worth of data) and I might have gotten gun shy. > > Dealt KK in MP. All fold to me, I raise, next player 3 bets and SB calls. I > call for deception. Flop come AK9 (rainbow). I lead and get raised. SB folds. > I put raiser on either AA or AK and figure that I'll bet the turn and if he > raises again, I'll give him credit for AA. > > Turn is a Q, I bet and get raised again. I call. River is a blank. I > check/call and he shows AQ. Not having a good read on this player (first time I > played with him), should I have played this hand more aggressively. Part of my > thinking for just calling his raise on the flop was that it would keep the true > power of my hand concealed and if he did have AK he might assume it was good and > keep betting it hard and if he had AA I would save some bets. I think where I > was too timid was on the turn, as he would likely have raised with AK (or AQ as > he did here). > > Side note: Two hands later get KK again, get re-raised and end up losing to > trip jacks, so KK remains my biggest loser. | ||
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