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 Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 12. Dec 2003 10:25 | ||
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| Saturday, November 29, 2003 I found out that the Orleans is no longer going to be having a Stud tourney. Boo hoo! Oh, well, it just gives me the perfect reason not to play there anymore. There are some things going on at the Orleans that are disturbing. I heard, in September, of some cheating in that NLHE tourney. Locals taking home chips, to bring back later for the "big" tourneys. I don't know if that has been cleared up. On Tuesday, at an empty table, the tourney director and a dealer were counting down the chips not in use during the tourney. The director went back to the computer and his "normal" table, to do some paperwork, leaving the dealer alone to count down the chips. The dealer then left the table, and left the chips sitting there. The director was turned away from the chips several times, either at the computer, or at one of the tourney tables. The chips were sitting there, waiting to be taken, if anyone had the balls, or knew that there were no recordings being made of that table. I also noticed that during the tourney, the director didn't keep the chip cabinet locked. Once again, the Orleans is just asking for trouble. One would think, having just fired the poker room manager in September, then finding out there was lots of cheating going on in the NLHE tourneys, that they would be more careful, but they aren't. Saving a minute here or there, while exposing themselves to foul play, seems to be the accepted norm. I was very disappointed. Around town, the rumor is that the Orleans poker room is in so much trouble that they are afraid they will be shut down by the Gaming Commission. I played in two of the Orleans tourneys during the Thanksgiving week I spent in Vegas. Stud on Tuesday, Stud HL on Saturday night. In both cases, the prize pool didn't quite match the estimated amount for the buy-in's plus the rebuys and add-on's. Hey, I am all about high school math. But even I can see that something is amiss. At any rate, the Stud tourney is no more, so even if the Orleans doesn't get shut down, I will no longer have a Stud tourney to play in, and no reason to go back to the Orleans. I hope they get their crap straightened up. It's hard enough to win tourneys as it is, but with cheating going on amongst players, and some money missing from the prize pool, it is overwhelmingly tough. My first Stud HL table was awesome. In the 1-3 seats were dealers. OMG, rammin'-jammin' dealers. Gotta love that. Somehow they think that capping off every hand, on third street, in the first level, will win the tourney for them. LOL. Needless to say, I did pretty well at this table. Right before it broke, a guy came over from another broken table. He was MAD. He started griping about being moved twice already. I tried to lighten the mood, but he wasn't having any part of it. I joked with him a little, and he told me to SHUT UP. Lovely. Don'tcha just LOVE Vegas???? (I don't.) My next table was a little tougher. Better players. A friendly guy was to my left and we struck up a conversation. I lost a big hand with a four low, four flush that never made anything better than a pair of deuces, and I was crippled. I went all-in a few times, but never fully recovered. I was busted in the middle of the field. Blah. Believe it or not, this was a really fun tourney for me. I had a blast. Glenn and I ate at the joint Chinese/Japanese restaurant, and had a typically wonderful meal. We had comps worth about $25, so we only paid $5 for the entire meal, which was excellent. I would recommend that place to anyone, as I have been there three times, and had three excellent meals. We said "goodbye" (most likely permanently) to the Orleans, and headed back to my Mom's for zzzzzz. Felicia :) | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Formless, 12. Dec 2003 11:21 | ||
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| I was planning on staying at The Orleans next visit. Looks like it's back to the El Cortez for me ;-) Thanks for the post. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 12. Dec 2003 13:38 | ||
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| Just remember, a lot of this is pure rumor. Yes, it is true that the Orleans has been in big trouble before. Yes, it is true that they are leaving the chips unguarded. But the rumors about the gaming commission and the Orleans shutting down are just that...rumors. I have no verification of this. Good luck! Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee <<on 12. Dec 2003 11:21 Formless wrote: > I was planning on staying at The Orleans next visit. Looks like it's back to the El > Cortez for me ;-) Thanks for the post. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Formless, 12. Dec 2003 17:08 | ||
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| I've seen shady stuff with my own eyes in LV, and I've been reading stories about chip counts at The Orleans on the internet for years. I take it all with a grain of salt anyway. Rumours are hard to prove, but the way many cardrooms are run invites criticism. You pointed out that they have lax security at The Orleans, which is fair game I think. On the positive side, I spent a week playing at Bellagio, and that is the best run cardroom I've seen anywhere. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, KJo, 12. Dec 2003 14:16 | ||
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| well from what Felicia's saying the only difference between the two is you'll get robbed at the tournament tables at the Orleans, and robbed in the parking lot of the El Cortez. Pick your poison :) Eli on 12. Dec 2003 11:21 Formless wrote: > I was planning on staying at The Orleans next visit. Looks like it's back to the El > Cortez for me ;-) Thanks for the post. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Formless, 12. Dec 2003 15:09 | ||
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| Hmmmm...good point. Think I'll stay at The Gold Spike instead. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, KJo, 13. Dec 2003 10:07 | ||
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| Good one :) Eli on 12. Dec 2003 15:09 Formless wrote: > Hmmmm...good point. Think I'll stay at The Gold Spike instead. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 13. Dec 2003 15:11 | ||
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| FELICIA LEE, IT APPEARS THAT YOU DID NOT SEE ANY CHEATING YOURSELF NOR DID YOU SEE ANY CHIPS TAKEN WHEN THEY WERE LEFT ALONE NOR PLAYERS BRING BACK CHIPS THEY HAD STOLEN. YOUR STATEMENTS APPPEAR TO BE LIBELOUS. I AM AN ATTORNEY LICENSED IN OHIO BUT NOT IN LAS VEGAS. I HAVE PLAYED FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AT THE ORLEANS IN THE MONTHS OF JAN THRU MARCH, AND I HAVE NOT EEN OR HEARD OF ANYTHING WRONG. IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE SOME EVIDENCE THEN GO TO THE ORLEANS MANAGMENT OR TO THE SOUNTY OR STATE GAMIING BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD DO. LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, gary ford, 13. Dec 2003 23:38 | ||
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| Lawyers dont use lower case???? | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 07:21 | ||
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| dear gary ford, i was making an important point about making statements that may be libelous, but for you i only need lower case. if you get down to it i am sure you will understand. ljh | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, gary ford, 14. Dec 2003 10:44 | ||
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| LOL happy to bring you down to lower case | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 14:50 | ||
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| gary, you sound like a very nice person. i hope we meet at the orleans, see you in jan. feb. or mar. ljh | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 14. Dec 2003 10:04 | ||
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| Only an attorney would take statements like, "...I heard..." "...rumor..." "no verification" and decide that someone needed to be sued. Lovely! As far as the "facts" go, they can be found in the Las Vegas Review Journal. I saw what I SAW, then reported it. I overheard rumors, which I reported just as that...rumors, and the rest is public knowledge, printed in the newspaper for many years. Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 14:52 | ||
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| felicia, you are full of rumors, but to whom did you report all these unfounded rumors. ljh | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 14. Dec 2003 15:04 | ||
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| If you don't like my stories, I would suggest you skip my posts. I don't answer to you or anyone else. Many have commented that they enjoy my stories, you are obviously not one of them. Skip my posts, I don't really care. Felicia L. Dyer--my real name, I don't hide from anyone (I'm in the white pages if you are looking to file baseless lawsuits) on 14. Dec 2003 14:52 LJH wrote: > felicia, you are full of rumors, but to whom did you report all these unfounded rumors. ljh | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 18:52 | ||
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| MY MY FELICIA HOW YOU DO GO ON. OF COURSE I WILL READ WHAT YOU DISTORT, AND I WLL COMMENT ON IT AS I PLEASE. YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. TO WHOM DID YOU REPORT ALL YOUR FINDINGS. I JUST LIKE TO KEEP THINGS STRAIGHT. I MADE NO THREATS AGAINST YOU, BUT I WARNED YOU THAT OTHER LAS VEGAS ENTITIES MIGHT. TOUCHY AREN'T YOU. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT I WRITE THEN DO NOT ANSWER ME. LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, paul morin, 13. Dec 2003 15:20 | ||
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| I play at the Oleans and here is their poker tourney web site: http://www.orleanscasino.com/gaming/poker-tourn-schedule.html Remember. nothing happens that is not on video and watched. just look at the ceiling above you next time. I will admit it is possible for a player to palm chips. I doubt that someone can steal from the dealer's location. But who knows? | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 07:23 | ||
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| paul morin, very good point, the eye in the sky is there at the orleans at all times. ljh | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Waddy, 14. Dec 2003 13:56 | ||
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| Let me say that I know the Director of Surveillance at the orleans (I used to work for him) and he is one of the best around. He is a professional and a man of integrity. He would not tolerate this if it was actually happening. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 14. Dec 2003 15:11 | ||
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| I truly hope this is, indeed, the case. I was told by several members of the Orleans staff, including the tournament director, that "not all surveillance cameras are running in the tournament area." Felicia on 14. Dec 2003 13:56 Waddy wrote: > Let me say that I know the Director of Surveillance at the orleans (I used to work for him) and > he is one of the best around. He is a professional and a man of integrity. He would not > tolerate this if it was actually happening. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Formless, 14. Dec 2003 14:55 | ||
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| LJH, please try and see it from my (tourist) point of view. I did NOT get a fair deal at the Mirage the one time I did play In Las Vegas and I am in no hurry to return there. It's a year later and I'm still pissed off about it. I saw the most blatant cheating ever at Excalibur, the floor did nothing. I did not drop a grand on hotel, airfare, etc. to get ripped off by corrupt casinos. I have been on both sides of the felt as a high limit player and as a casino manager, so I know plenty about security and protecting my bankroll. I can make more money playing online, so I have no reason to go to Las Vegas anymore, since all I do there is play poker. I wish I knew then what I knew now. I've been hearing stuff about The Orleans on various online newsgroups for years; I choose to believe where there is smoke there is often fire. There are a lot of new players who don't know the shadier side of casinos and I think it's fair to give them a fair heads up. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 18:57 | ||
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| FORMLESS, MORE RUMORS----YOU THINK THAT ONLINE ITEMS ARE TRUSTWORTHY, FINE, YOU GOT RIPPED OFF, THEN DO NOT GO TO BRICSK AND MORTARS. BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT UNTIL FELICIA HAS PROOF OF WRONGDOING, SHE SHOULD NOT PUBLISH IT ON THIS FORUM. LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Formless, 14. Dec 2003 19:49 | ||
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| LJH, How about the Pat Fleming incident? Was that a rumour too? I think you protest too much. Here is one of the cheating threads on The Orleans, it's generally accepted among tournament pros thtat this one's true beyond reasonable doubt: http://tinyurl.com/z9as Do a Google search on "cheating" and "orleans" for more rumours. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, GenHawk, 17. Dec 2003 01:45 | ||
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| This attitude is what makes lawyers and other overeducated so-called "experts" so unliked. | ||
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| Re: Let's Take a Breather, FeliciaLee, 14. Dec 2003 20:25 | ||
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| One of the things that is both great about forums like UPF, and horrible, is that people choose to use the Internet to take things farther than is perhaps necessary, due to the anonymity factor. Sometimes an opinion is just that, an opinion. There is one cardroom I have always liked. Many people do not like that particular cardroom. Sometimes I will post that I played there and I will get replies from people who think I'm absolutely out of my mind because I like this particular cardroom. They have seen another side of it, perhaps a worse side than I have ever seen. It is not the cleanest or nicest cardroom in the world, yet I have always been treated very well there. The floormen go out of their way to protect players from abuse. They also protect their dealers. It can get a little rough, due to the nature of some of their clientele, but they never fail to step up to bat for their players and/or dealers. Yet other people will write me with incidents they nave witnessed or been involved with that sound completely contradictory to anything I have seen. Do I accuse these people of making up stories? Do I tell them they are libeling a poker room by reporting things they have seen and/or heard? Do I start an Internet flame war with them? No, I just figure that they have their opinion and that I have been extremely fortunate not to be a party to any ugly incidents there. I respect their opinion, in the hopes they will respect mine, in return, and not use the shield of Internet anonymity to "flame" me, or start some argument that has no positive conclusion. I see what I see. I hear what I hear. My least favorite cardroom might be your most favorite. Every day, people from another cardroom, the Riverside, where I have reported some atrocious happenings, tell me that the Riverside is their favorite place to play. I, personally, don't feel safe there, but I respect that they like the floormen, the dealers, the competition, whatever. The same goes for the Sahara, which is the cardroom I was writing about above. The Sahara has always gone out of the way to protect me when I am there, alone or with my husband. They are the only cardroom whose floormen have actually "voluntarily" approached me and offered to do something about an obnoxious drunk, or an abusive player. I feel like a decent human being there, instead of a "scumbag" poker player, like so many casinos view their patrons. People disagree with me all the time about the Sahara. They hate it. They have seen men spit chewing tobacco on the floor. They have seen cursing and fighting. Sometimes players get loud and abusive. They have their right to these opinions. I see nothing wrong with their differing opinions of the Sahara. "Formless" and I have obviously noticed problems with the Orleans cardroom. We have read newspaper articles, saw the demise of some of their managers and tournament directors. We have heard the "rumors" which turned out to be fact, time and again. So we are a bit wary of what is happening right now, when the prize pools yet again don't seem to be adding up. When chips are left unguarded. Other players have obviously had great experiences at the Orleans (as have I, at different times in the last few years). They have gotten to know the staff there. They trust the tournament director and the integrity of the tournaments. That is fine, too. I don't "hate" them, and want to start "flaming away" at them because their views disagree with mine. Yet on the other hand, I will not tolerate abusive behavior towards myself or other people with opinions that differ with the flamers, either. I would like this to be the end of this thread, unless we can all find it inside of us to participate in the discussion like decent human beings, not spoiled children who insist on yelling "I hate you" just because someone's opinion on matters disagrees with their own. I have always had good experiences on UPF, up until today. I hope this will fade presently and we can go back to our adult, supportive poker chat. Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: Let's Take a Breather, Blade, 15. Dec 2003 00:10 | ||
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| I HATE THE I HATE YOU'S :) -May the bridges I burn light my way -Blade | ||
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| Re: Let's Take a Breather, LJH, 17. Dec 2003 11:28 | ||
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| FELICIA, STILL REHASHING AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT FROM WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY WROTE. WHY DO YOU NOT PUT THIS ON YOUR OWN WEB SITE ALSO. YOU ORIGINALLY SAID THA TTHE CHEATING WAS GOING ON NOW. NOW YOU SAY THAT THERE WAS CHEATING GOING ON IN THE PAST, AND THEN YOU TAKE POTSHOTS AT ME WHNE YOU SAID YOU WOULD NEVER READ MY STAEMENTS AGAIN. SOUNDS LIKE "ALICE IN WONDERLAND" LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, FeliciaLee, 14. Dec 2003 15:07 | ||
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| I did approach the tournament director, as well as many others on staff at the Orleans (to get other opinions). Maybe they do not know the truth, or perhaps they simply lied to me to get me off of their backs. I was told that NOT ALL tournament tables were being monitored, and/or recorded. This is what I was TOLD. I was not given a backstage pass to the surveillance room. Felicia :) My Poker Journal: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeliciaLee | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, Waddy, 14. Dec 2003 17:48 | ||
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| I have been in the casino business since 1992 in both table games (dealer; supervisor; asst manager) and surveillance (agent and supervisor). I have not worked in nevada, however, I have worked at several casinos in the midwest and I don't know of any surveillance department that would let other departments know what is or is not operating as far as cameras go. | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 14. Dec 2003 18:59 | ||
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| WADDY, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, timmer, 17. Dec 2003 11:09 | ||
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| busted camera in gaming areas are repaired or replaced very quickly . I know because I've busted them and repaired them . | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, LJH, 17. Dec 2003 11:17 | ||
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| TIMMER, SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW? I'VE KNOW MANY PEOPLE WITH YOUR ATTITED, BUT WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS THEY ARE HAPPY TO HAVE A LAWYER AT THEIR SIDE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. LJH | ||
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| Re: Disturbing News at the Orleans, kennycatkiller, 14. Dec 2003 22:51 | ||
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| maybe the prize pool discrepancy in your Orleans trnmt was due to the fact that the house takes 10% right off the top, including all add-ons and rebuys. further, they pay a $5 bounty for each player eliminated, and the bounties, too, come out of the prize pool. i quit playing the trnmts there because of that, but i found nothing wrong with the count. kennycatkiller | ||
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