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 Disconnection All-IN, ibe, 10. Dec 2003 23:59 | ||
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| Limit All IN Prob ========== Case1 In case of Limit game if a player "All In" coz of disconection and the maximum raise alowed could go upto $8 and the All In amount is $100 then should the next player's Limit will raise accordingly of should he get "All In" if his amount is less. Question Q1 What will happen if "All In" (say $500) amount in case of disconection is much more than normal maximum raiseable Limit Bet (say $8) amount of the Limit Game? Case2 In case player face disconenction immediately after Low/High Blind Bet then should we do the "All In" of his amount or we can consider him as Fold for initial Bet rounds, if we can consider this Fold option then can we implement it for first two rounds and "All In" option will be available for only third and fourth round. Q2 Is it neccesary to consider "All In" if player just provided Low/High Bet and face disonnection if not then what are other possibilities? | ||
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| Re: Disconnection All-IN, Boftx, 11. Dec 2003 09:14 | ||
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| You should consider him all-in but not tke away any protections unless he has voluntarily put money in the pot, i.e. called or raised from a blind. Also, a protection should not be taken away unless he fails to act when required. That is, if he disconnects after his bet but not further bet is needed because of subsequent calls/folds, then n further action is needed on his part. | ||
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| Answer this ?Disconnection All-IN, ibe, 11. Dec 2003 11:38 | ||
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| can you please elobrate it . What do you mean by :- "unless he has voluntarily put money in the pot," My question is if he disconnects after his bet , which means he has already out in money now incase he does not come back within the time then it should be considered as All-in .( Right ?) now if he had take $100 before sitting on the table which means he has $100 on the table from which he has just given the blinds and bet amount rest money is still there so if he gets diconnected then All-in will be considered , so I would like to know that in that case his balance amount ets say $80 from the $100 will be also put in as All-in , in the side pot . so please explain will others player will have to rasie to meet that amount and incase others dont have that much money will they have to do All-in also while on the table . Another questions what will happen in limit game because there raise has limit and caping and so if i disconnects with $80 and if that $80 goes to All-in what will happen then and what will others do in the game which is limit game . | ||
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| Re: Answer this ?Disconnection All-IN, Boftx, 11. Dec 2003 11:45 | ||
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| I was refering to when he disconnects when he has only put a blind in the pot and the action hasn't reached him yet. Yes, he should be all-in. No, that should not take away an 'all-in protection'. | ||
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| Re: Answer this ?Disconnection All-IN, Brian Starr, 11. Dec 2003 16:42 | ||
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| Ibe- you are totally missing the point here. All-in protection does not mean that you put all your money into the pot when you get disconnected. I've already stated this to you before, but maybe you didn't understand so here goes again- if a player disconnects in the middle of a hand they are considered "all-in" for the amount they have already put in the pot. It is as if they don't have any more money. Betting then continues with the rest of the players in a side-pot, and the disconnected player can only win what was in the pot before he was disconnected. | ||
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| Re: Answer this ?Disconnection All-IN, Boftx, 11. Dec 2003 17:13 | ||
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| I understand exactly what a disconnect all-in is and how the protection feature works at several sites. I am trying to voice what I consider to be a flaw in them. That is, they treat a blind the same as if you had made a bet and reduce the number of all-in protections you have. I further understand why there are limits on how many times you can use that protection in a given time period and have seen it abused many times. If you really want to be comprehensive you would write off-line detection code that would test the connection not just to your own site, but to several well known sites at the same time so that you do not render a person disconnected when in fact it is a network error somewhere in the 'Net. There is a particular router in Washington that has experienced severe route flapping at times that has rendered connections from SBC to some of the Canadian based servers unusable even though traffic from SBC to MSN or Yahoo was unaffected. These was still treated as a disconnect by the poker sites affected with loss of all-in protections. It is rather dificult to intentionally disconnect an OC3 at my office just so I can *maybe* save a $5 blind. You seem to have a reasonable grasp of the concepts involved here, I am giving you my opinion on how they can be improved. As for my understanding of network issues, I am the CTO for a company that has sufficient servers and bandwidth to host all the online gaming sites combined and still have horsepower to spare. Jim | ||
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| for " boftx" ?Disconnection All-IN, ibe, 12. Dec 2003 15:35 | ||
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| ok! now please explain what should be done if the has only put a blind and not given a single bet yet . and what should happen if he has given bet and in second round ? About the network think , as far i could understand is :- most of the times the daily limit given for all-in protection is just wasted because of net routing problem ( packet losses , throwput loss etc ) which is no fault of the player but still he looses his daily all-in protection limit . u suggesting that some thing should be done to find out the problem with routing like tracerouting or pinging the player's ip and checking if his IP is gone because of diconnection or is it the path or route is gone for example if route has a problem then in just few hops it will time out and if its the players connection then it will reach till last hop of players ISP or name IP range ... I hope I am on the same page u are ? | ||
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| Re: for " boftx" ?Disconnection All-IN, Boftx, 15. Dec 2003 21:01 | ||
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| Ok, to answer your second question first, yes, we are on the same page. I would like to see the software make an effort to differentiate between disconnects and network problems. And my own pet peeve, allow more time to get back than 30 sec since some DSL routers take longer to reboot. As to the first question, if I understand you, I think that if a person has put in the blind, but has not yet taken any action, he should be treated as all-in, but not lose a protection. | ||
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| To Brian Starr, ibe, 13. Dec 2003 00:33 | ||
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| OK if thats the things then why there is quota or limited All-ins given on disconnection and on other hand if you are in game and not disonnected then you can do all-in as may time you like in a day . I mean why then all-in on disconnection is considered not good . | ||
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| Re: To Brian Starr, Brian Starr, 15. Dec 2003 01:57 | ||
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| BOFTX- I know you know the procedure, my message was not to you. The problem is that Ibe doesn't see the difference between a regular all-in and a disconnection all-in, as evidenced by his last post. Ibe- go back and read all of the responses to your posts, if you still don't see it, I can't help you. | ||
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