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 Q's on the button...., Blue Sky, 10. Dec 2003 16:34 | ||
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| $5 SNG @ PP.... 2nd round of blinds and I have only shown two hands A's that flopped a set and AQs where I flopped top two....I am the chip leader and pick up pocket Q's on the button. Blinds were 15/30 so I bring it in for $70. Called by the SB (Loose aggressive player) and Mp (loose calling station) Flop comes 3c 8s 9s. Checked to me, I bet $95, SB calls and MP folds. Turn is a 4 forgot the suit. Checked to me, I bet $145 and SB goes all in with his remaining $350 or so. I call. River is an A. He is good with A2 off.... Not so worried about loosing the hand as much as how much I bet and was it correct to call his all in? | ||
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| Re: Q's on the button...., SpaceAce, 10. Dec 2003 17:02 | ||
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| I think you should have bet bigger on the flop. On the turn, you were getting pretty good odds to put another $205 in there so I think calling it was correct. Your opponent was an idiot. Nothing but a 5 or an Ace (and the Ace is far from certain) would help him. He went all-in on a lame draw and got lucky, that's all. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Q's on the button...., KJo, 10. Dec 2003 17:34 | ||
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| Bet more pre-flop. Your raise of $40 is very close to a minimum raise, and with one limper and the blinds you're offering attractive odds for those players to play with you. I'd raise it up higher, more like 3-4x the BB. Not sure it would have driven out A2o though, since clearly he's a total moron. I'd also be more aggressive on the flop, betting pot-size there. Eli on 10. Dec 2003 16:34 Blue Sky wrote: > $5 SNG @ PP.... > > 2nd round of blinds and I have only shown two hands A's that flopped a set and > AQs where I flopped top two....I am the chip leader and pick up pocket Q's on > the button. Blinds were 15/30 so I bring it in for $70. Called by the SB > (Loose aggressive player) and Mp (loose calling station) > > Flop comes 3c 8s 9s. > Checked to me, I bet $95, SB calls and MP folds. > > Turn is a 4 forgot the suit. > Checked to me, I bet $145 and SB goes all in with his remaining $350 or so. I > call. > > River is an A. He is good with A2 off.... > > Not so worried about loosing the hand as much as how much I bet and was it > correct to call his all in? | ||
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| Re: Q's on the button...., magnus, 10. Dec 2003 17:36 | ||
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| Ok, I'll try and put myself in your opponents shoes.... Pre-flop: I'm in SB, MP calls the blind and Button (looks like a solid player) raises to 70. There is now 145 (30+15 from blinds, 30 from MP caller and 70 from Button) in the pot, I need call 55 to see the flop. That gives me pot odds of about 1:2.16 (not great, but I could flop something big with my A2o) and if MP calls too, I get even better pot odds. Flop comes 3c 8s 9s. The solid Button player should not have been helped by this, he has only shown high cards when he has bet into the pot. It didn't help me much either (hmmm, do I have the As!!! if so it would have helped a little bit, let say that is the case). I have beginning of bottom str8, 3 to the nut flush (if I had As). Lets check and see if the other players was hit hard. MP checks, Button bets 95 into a pot of 240, if I call this I get pot odds of 1:3.5. Button probably have high cards or a high pair, I need runner runner for either the str8 or the flush or any of the remaining A here (which might not be good anyhow with a 2 kicker). I have 445 left which would be a fairly low stack if I folded now. There is 335 in the pot not quite worth the risk, I would fold, but what if this Button guy only have something like KQs??? Then I might be ahead already (Ok, I'm getting fishy here :-), I better call this and see what comes on the turn.... Turn 4 something (it is really important if this was a s if the SB held As!! so lets say it was...) Now I have a 4 nut-flush with one card to come plus a str8 draw plus the A. The A would give me 3 outs (possible not good, but forget that part), the str8 another 4 (any 5 would give str8) + any S would give flush (using my expected cards) giving another 9 outs. Still I don't have anything right now so lets check it and maybe I get to se the river for free. SB bets 145 into a pot of 430, my pot odds are about 1:3, with 15 outs (any A, any 5 + 8 s (9 - the five)) I have about 1:3 odds to call but this would leave me with only 205 and not much chance if I should miss my draws, lets try an take down this pot right now! I'll go all-in and hope that the Button will think I have something real! Ok, this is not how I would have played it if I was the SB, but it can be useful to try and put yourself it their position. I think you underbet the whole way, with one limper already in pre-flop I would bet about 4xBB (120) to try and get everybody else out. At least this should get rid of hands like A2o (in the $5 SnG this might not work though, when I have seen people go all in pre-flop with hands like that) At the flop I want to finish it off right there, with no overcards and a possible flush draw, bet at least the pot, or something like 240 in this case. If somebody is still left at the turn, it could be tricky if a 3 flush card falls. If it is a blank or a possible str8 draw (like in this case), I would consider pushing all in to let my opponents make the hard decision Disclaimer: I have only played poker for a short time and lately I have run bad in NL play. My limit ring games have picked up instead, looks like it runs in cycles.... -Magnus | ||
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| Re: Q's on the button...., Hatchthunder, 11. Dec 2003 06:55 | ||
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| I cannot believe you have only played for a short time Magnus. I really enjoyed your dissection of the blind players actions. It is a good idea to put yourself in someone else's shoes. You might not think that they could possibly call but if you see it from their perspective it was not that bad a call. I agree that this time it was a bad play. He should have dropped that hand like a hot potato. | ||
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| Re: Q's on the button...., Bond18, 11. Dec 2003 08:00 | ||
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| Yea in a situation as loose as the 5 dollar SNG at party i think you gotta raise it more with QQ, maybe to 90-110ish, and also increase the flop bet. However, your all in call was definately the correct choice, unless hes holding a pocket pair that got a set or an overpair you gotta think your good. | ||
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