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 KK NL Situation, W9, 10. Dec 2003 16:21 | ||
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| In middle of a recent SNG tournament (5/9 players left) I caught KK in late position, right before the button. A reckless player in the BB that I had been watching came in for a sizeable pre-flop raise (about 1/4 of his stack) and everyone folded to me. I doubled his bet, and the button called. The button and I were about the same in terms of chips while the BB had about 2/3 of what we did. The BB then went all in as I was hoping and I immediately called as did the Button. The BB flipped 9's and, to my surprise, the Button showed aces and won. Was my play incorrect? Should I have backed off considering the Button called my sizeable raise, and left it up to him to call down the gambler in the BB? | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, KJo, 10. Dec 2003 17:28 | ||
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| You can't mean BB...that player acts after you pre-flop. I'll assume you just mean an EP player. That being said... Hard to walk away from KK here, and any time you run into AA with KK it qualifies as an Official Bad Beat. Unless you absolutely know the button to be so tight that he would only call your raise with AA, I don't see any way to play it differently. Eli on 10. Dec 2003 16:21 W9 wrote: > In middle of a recent SNG tournament (5/9 players left) I caught KK in late > position, right before the button. A reckless player in the BB that I had been > watching came in for a sizeable pre-flop raise (about 1/4 of his stack) and > everyone folded to me. I doubled his bet, and the button called. The button > and I were about the same in terms of chips while the BB had about 2/3 of what > we did. > > The BB then went all in as I was hoping and I immediately called as did the > Button. The BB flipped 9's and, to my surprise, the Button showed aces and won. > > > Was my play incorrect? Should I have backed off considering the Button called > my sizeable raise, and left it up to him to call down the gambler in the BB? | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, Bond18, 11. Dec 2003 08:23 | ||
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| Most SNGs you get guys calling from everything between 22-AA, and AT and up as well as the occasional (i still can't beleive it) KQ or KJ. If you can get all your money in PF with KK in an online SNG or tournament i'd do it every time, your expectation is huge. | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, Flakes, 11. Dec 2003 08:32 | ||
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| Actually, If he held KK but his opponent held AA, it is not a bad beat. How could it be, right?! A bad beat is when you have the best hand and some longshot BS hand comes from behind to beat you. That's a bad beat! What happened here is called a "Cold Deck". | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, KJo, 11. Dec 2003 13:31 | ||
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| alright, semantics. I've just always thought of "bad beat" much the same as "bad luck." Eli on 11. Dec 2003 08:32 Flakes wrote: > Actually, If he held KK but his opponent held AA, it is not a bad beat. How could it be, > right?! A bad beat is when you have the best hand and some longshot BS hand comes from > behind to beat you. That's a bad beat! > > What happened here is called a "Cold Deck". | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, Mark Barnett II, 19. Dec 2003 10:00 | ||
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| silly time but thats exactly what happened, a stupid longshot BS hand *how often is someone dealt rockets* came from behind *well he was behind him on betting* and beat him Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, stdioh, 11. Dec 2003 08:48 | ||
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| The button made a huge mistake by not shoving all in preflop. He knows that he's got at least one of you guys and should be getting his money in while his aces are definitely the best hand out there. I think that was a really bad spot to slowplay. That said, I think you are in a tight spot on this one. It all depends on where you are in the tourney. If you're on the bubble and this happens, get the hell out of the hand. If you're in a spot where the blinds are high and your stack is low then you're playing this one out nomatter what happens. It's all a question of read and instinct really. You can't always toss your KK fearing AA, but there are a few times when you should. | ||
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| Re: KK NL Situation, jaustin, 11. Dec 2003 11:11 | ||
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| Why do you think the button made a mistake? Perhaps he had the same read on the BB and expected him to shove in, thereby getting two players to go all-in vs. his AA. Or is that the mistake? Is it better to get AA heads up vs. one player or would you rather have the BB in as well? on 11. Dec 2003 08:48 stdioh wrote: > The button made a huge mistake by not shoving all in preflop. He knows that he's got > at least one of you guys and should be getting his money in while his aces are > definitely the best hand out there. I think that was a really bad spot to slowplay. > > That said, I think you are in a tight spot on this one. It all depends on where you > are in the tourney. If you're on the bubble and this happens, get the hell out of the > hand. If you're in a spot where the blinds are high and your stack is low then you're > playing this one out nomatter what happens. It's all a question of read and instinct > really. You can't always toss your KK fearing AA, but there are a few times when you > should. | ||
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