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 Making Money, uwetye, 10. Dec 2003 08:53 | ||
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| I find it hard to believe money can be made online. After playing months I've gone up and down. At Party Poker I play on NL tables and it never fails I could have trip aces and some one will call all bets and Party Poker lays down four to a flush or str8 and the idiot with q/2 will fill and take you down. The last two nights I've seen this more than ever. You would think that in the long run you would win but it seems Party Poker pays off the caller more times than not. | ||
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| Re: Making Money, hokie95, 10. Dec 2003 08:59 | ||
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| Point me to that game. So, you think you can't make money in a game where people who are huge statistical underdogs will continue to call when you are in the lead? Please send me the names of those people. I have a house in Palo Alto I want to buy with those profits. Could it possibly be that you don't force these people out? Could it POSSIBLY be that you are slow playing hands that are not monsters and are not worthy of a slow play? COULD IT POSSIBLY be that there are reasons for your losses that flow from your play and not from the internet site where you choose to play? And, is it possible that you suffer from FPS? And, if not, why is a guy with Q2 still in a hand with you? | ||
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| Re: Making Money, uwetye, 10. Dec 2003 11:06 | ||
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| Believe me I raise preflop,raise post flop,most times end all in .In real casino these hands hold up,but on line I think People expect the four flush or srt8 so they call with that on big spade. granted you would expect over time you would come out ahead, but not the case on line | ||
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| Re: Making Money, Barry T, 11. Dec 2003 01:48 | ||
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| Hi. This is remarkable. How come they know not to give a flush to the huge diamond? How come Party Poker (where I play - I am not paid by them) does not give YOU the fluush once in a while? YOU have big cards. Listen, you need to work on your game. You could be going through a bad streak. You could not be raising enough. You could be misplaying other hands that you do not notice, but only think about three aces. Gee, how often can you get those? AA happensd every 221 hands and flopping a set is one in 8.5, so you will have trip aces about once every 1,880 hands. At about 70 hands per hour (typical of full no limit low limit on line games - YMMV) you will see this hand around once a week if you play five hours a day. What about the other hands? Maybe YOU are calling with a big spade waiting for Party to reward you. Do they? Please think about this. BarryT | ||
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| Re: Making Money, mroban, 11. Dec 2003 08:42 | ||
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| I recently just played in a $6-12 game at Borgata where the player to my right was down a lot of cash, decided he was going to play for another half an hour and was going to play every hand and call all the way down with pretty much anything. He actually murmured this to me after winning a few pots and getting some of his money back. He proceeded to do just that. I was check raising him and re-raising him with superior hands and he was just putting his money into the pot. He drew out on me about 4 times over the next hour or so and cost me about half my stack at least. Statistically, I should have been pummeling him and winning huge, but the short term luck factor got me that night. He was playing a lottery and winning. That was his intention, he was on total tilt and on a major rush. What can you do? My point is, your statistical sample is probably way too short term to make those judgments. Over time you will beat those guys. I taken equally bad beats in live games as online. I have seen absolutely no difference, other than that I play more hands on line so I see more weird beats. | ||
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| Re: Making Money, LKP, 10. Dec 2003 12:00 | ||
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| I've been where you are. Heck, I am where you are. It's frustrating I know. But think of it this way. If someone is looking for that last spade on the river that will give them the flush, they have a 9 out of 46 chance of getting it. That means that you have about a 4 out 5 chance of winning, and they only have a 1 out of 5 chance of winning. But get this: they'll still win 1 out of 5 times! Don't evaluate each hand in a vacuum, and think that they're the statistical underdog so they should never win. Remember, they're still going to win some of the time. Couple that with the fact that one guy might be on a flush draw, one guy's looking for his low pocket pair to river into a set, and another guy is looking for that straight draw. Poker is a game of skill in the long term, but in the short term there can be tremendous swings due to luck. You probably never thought twice when your statistical favorite held up. That's why the pros say it takes a long long time to figure out how well you are actually doing. You WILL have tremendous bank roll swings due to luck. I do. That's poker. And the worse your opponents are, the more pronounced your swings will be. | ||
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| Re: Making Money, SpaceAce, 10. Dec 2003 14:09 | ||
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| Except for an EXTREMELY bad month of cards (you would not believe some of the numbers if I posted my notes), I consistently beat the low limit games on Party Poker. You _can_ earn money playing online but you need to play correctly. I do not believe the games at PartyPoker are rigged or that the cards that fall are too far off the statistical norm. What you have to realize is that you are being dealt anywhere from 2-3 times as many hands per hour online so you will see twice as many unlikely flops and boards. Also, online low limit is a chasing game. The reason you see so many weird hands get made is that so many people stay in every pot. If there are six people seeing every flop, someone will catch a piece and stay in and sometimes they will make a very unlikely hand. That's just part of playing low limit online and it can cause big swings but if you continue to play your hands properly, you will come out on top. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Making Money, shorn, 11. Dec 2003 05:19 | ||
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| You are playing "results poker" meaning that you judge whether or not you are doing well solely by whether you win or lose. You simply can't do this. If I were to ask you if you would take trip Aces against a Q2 offsuit with three of the suit on the board EVERY HAND YOU PLAYED, what would you say? If you don't say "I would mortgage my house to play in this situation", then you need to have your head examined. You are a 38-8 favorite in this situation to win (only 8 suited cards beat you, as one will pair the board) the hand, or you would win 83% of the time. Sounds good, right? Yes...yes it does. Remember, poker is a marathon and not a sprint. The results of an individual hand, session, week, or month are effectively meaningless. The bottom line is that the players who end up winners in their careers are the ones that make the most correct decisions at every point in every hand. That's it. So, concentrate on making the right decisions on EVERY street of EVERY hand and let the rest take care of itself. | ||
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| Re: Making Money, stdioh, 11. Dec 2003 08:51 | ||
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| Dry your eyes, read some books, and try again. I have a large group of solid poker playing friends and every single friend I have who I would call a "solid winning player" who plays online consistently makes money online. | ||
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| Re: Making Money, jakethebake, 11. Dec 2003 11:11 | ||
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| Complaining about not being able to make money from bad opponents? Geez. | ||
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