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 more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:14 | ||
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| Okay I'm putting up some more hands since I just can't beat $1/$2 on Party. I keep hearing how loose these games are... I've played 70 $1/$2 sessions for 12,000 hands and the average number of people seeing the flop is 32%... it doesn't seem all that loose to me | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:27 | ||
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| I'm in late position 2 before the button. I get 7h 7c.... there are 5 callers to me which makes me happy since it is an extremely unusual amount of callers. I call too... everyone after me folds including the small blind Flop comes up 7d, Ah, 4s... great flop for me. No flush possibilities and an A means I'll probably get some action. Everyone checks to me and I bet it. I get 2 callers. Turn is a 5h which I don't really like. Early position bets. I doubt that the early position would limp in with 2,3. Middle position calls and I raise. Early position raises me... should I let it go here? He could be betting 2 pair or a lesser set or even a semi-bluff on a straight draw. I call, partially because if he has a straight I still have lots of outs for the full house, partially because I might have the best hand. 8d comes on the river. Early position bets, middle position calls and I do a crying call hoping to see 2 pair or a lesser set. He had 2,3 for the straight | ||
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| Re: more hands, mkpoker, 10. Dec 2003 05:52 | ||
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| You played this fine...no way to put that guy on 2,3. And even if you could have put him on a straight, you absolutely had odds to draw to a FH. Tag this guy as someone with EXTREMELY loose starting reuirements and take his money later. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:31 | ||
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| Definitely make a note on this guy. I have seen a number of players who will come in with any connectors from any position, especially if suited. You didn't say if they were. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 09:36 | ||
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| no they weren't even suited And yeah, I made a note | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:31 | ||
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| Here's one I won... it's more an example of how they don't chase as much as everyone is saying... I get AJ on the button... I get 3 limpers and I call... blinds both go in. Flop comes 66Q rainbow. It is checked to me. I bet it and everyone folds... which doesn't surprise me since if I'm in late position and bet once it is checked to me on this table, I am taking it right there more than 50% of the time. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:34 | ||
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| the next time I was on the button I did it again with AQ with 1 limper and both blinds in after the board comes up KKJ and everyone folded to me | ||
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| Re: more hands, mkpoker, 10. Dec 2003 05:54 | ||
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| I might have raised pre-flop here. When there are only limpers to you OTB and you're holding AJ, it's a pretty safe bet you've got the best hand. Raising gets more $$ in the pot and helps make your bluffs more credible on future streets, if need be. | ||
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| by the way, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:36 | ||
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| I am just going through my last session and putting in hands that I won or lost more than 1 bet... I'm not going through and selectively looking for bad beats or examples of the $1/$2 table being tight As I'm going through some of these hands, I find myself finding some dumb mistakes that are costing me bets... It seems that I don't have this same problem in the casino - where I have been doing really well at the 3/6 games. But online I find myself just clicking stuff and making some mistakes that I really wouldn't do at a casino just because for some reason I think about it a lot more in the casino... I find just posting this really helpful because I can see a lot of my mistakes... I just am not sure why I do them when I'm playing. I find myself wondering why I'm losing and then after reviewing the history and posting a bunch of hands... well I can see why. (and actually I'm not losing really. I haven't had to put more money in but my account isn't going up either) I think I just have to concentrate more on what I'm doing because I can go through and count a lot of bets that I didn't have to give up and if I hadn't, I would be up - a lot | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:46 | ||
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| I get 77 on the big blind. One middle position call and the small blind calls. Flop comes out 3 J A. I check it getting ready to fold but it is check to me. Turn is a 5 and it's checked around. River is a 6 and middle position finally bets. I'm thinking he might have limped in with K6 or Q6 or some garbage and finally made a pair. There is also a possible straight for 2 4 or 4 7 but it seems unlikely. He might even have KQ and is betting high high cards. Anyway, I call him with my 77. I think if he had the straight he would have bet turn when he made it. I doubt the 6 helped him make a straight since he'd have to be holding 4 7... and I have 2 of the 7s and 4 7 is a pretty aweful hand to limp in with. So I'm thinking most likely KQ with a bluff and high card. He won with a pair of pocket tens... | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:35 | ||
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| Had you bet anywhere along the line you might have folded him out, especially had you raised preflop. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 9. Dec 2003 23:55 | ||
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| one more little win... I am putting the wins here too hoping for advice on how to get more out of them I get Ad5d in the small blind. 3 late position limpers and I put up the 1/2 a bet to see the flop. Flop comes up 5c 3d Kc. I bet as a semi bluff knowing I have 5 outs for 2 pair or trips and a backdoor nut flush draw. I get 1 caller and everyone else folds... oh well time to see the turn and get ready to fold. Turn is a Qh. I check and he checks... okay a free card River is a Jd. I check and he checks with 5c Tc... man I wish a 5 came up on the turn | ||
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| Re: more hands, Schuster, 10. Dec 2003 14:12 | ||
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| His flat call on the flop sounds suspiciously like a flush draw, unless you know this player not to raise with a king. If you check and fold in that spot, you're probably giving up too much most of the time. Lee | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 00:01 | ||
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| Another tiny little win where I again didn't think I really had it... I get TT in middle position. Everyone folds to me I raise it and everyone folds except the big blind. Flop comes up J 8 A rainbow and big blind checks to me. I bet He calls.. not what I wanted.... A bad kicker? or maybe a J Turn is a 7 and he checks to me. I check (I would have folded if he bet) River is a 5 and it's checked through and the 10s hold up. He had K7 for a pair of 7s. I can't really bet again after he called and there are 2 overpairs on the board can I? | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:42 | ||
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| This hand is remarkably similar to your hand with you in the BB and MP with TT, with reversed roles. Look at your thinking then, and compare to this hand. Real aggression from the BB would have folded you off a better hand. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 11:39 | ||
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| Good point. It probably would have but with 2 overcards on the flop, how aggressive can you really play it? | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 12:35 | ||
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| Against only a random hand in the BB? I would play it all the way like I had the A paired, make him show me a better hand. TT is a good hand against only a blind, even if he did call your pre-flop raise. It only cost 1 bet to call and see if his Kx would pair instead of your (supposed) Ax. Your check on the turn told him you didn't have the A. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Schuster, 10. Dec 2003 14:15 | ||
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| Good play. If he would have bet the river, you'd probably want to pay it off. Decent chance he might be screwing around with 2 gutshot to broadway cards. Lee | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 00:15 | ||
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| And a bad loss.... I get Qc Jd in the small blind. There is one middle position limper and the button raises. Everyone else folds including the big blind. I call. Had it been a raise from anywhere and earlier position, I would have folded it but with only 1 limper in, I'm thinking the button is just trying to knock out the blinds and go heads up with the limper. Flop comes out 6d 4h 9s. Here is where it gets bad. I bet thinking I might be able to get them to fold. It works on the limper but the button raises me. I should probably fold here but with 2 overcards I decide to call to see the turn. The turn is a ten so now I have an open-ended straight draw. I bet at him again... and again, he raises... oops Well, I've come this far so I have to see if I can get my straight now that I've built up the pot. River is a 3. I check, he bets and I fold... he shows AK... he had nothing more than a high card with those raises which I kind of expected. You'd think after I bet at him twice, he'd think I made a pair of 9s or something since I was in the blinds. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:50 | ||
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| I suspect he put you on exactly what you had, 2 big cards. You cold called a raise from the SB, indicating a strong hand. The flop wasn't one that looked to help you anymore that it helped him. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 00:22 | ||
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| Another big loss... I get Ah, Kc in the small blind. There is one early limper, a middle position that just sat down and posted a blind and the button limps I raise of course. Big blind folds and the other 3 call. The flop comes up 4h, Ac, 3c and I bet it. Early position calls and the button calls. Middle folds. Turn is a 6h. I bet it again and early position folds. The button calls and the river is a 2s giving a straight to the river. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:54 | ||
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| Please tell me the button at least had 2 suited cards or connectors for him to call your raise preflop. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 11:35 | ||
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| He had 5, 6 but it wasn't suited | ||
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| Re: more hands, Brian462, 10. Dec 2003 00:25 | ||
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| I have played 3,000 hands(not as many but still not a bad sample) at the Party 1/2 tables and on average my tables are voluntarily putting money in the pot 40% of the time with only a 5 percent pre flop raise percent(meaning its closer to 47% seeing the flop). That is a huge difference and might account for your trouble. I would suggest using the "Game Time" window that comes with poker tracker(I'm assuming you have it by the info you gave). It will tell you exactly how many are seeing the flop on average as well as how often each player sees it individually(and other useful info). If you prefer tighter games then I would suggest becoming a bit more aggressive. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 00:35 | ||
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| It might have a lot to do with playing late at night when only the hard-core poker geeks are on too... It seems like I can't find a table with 45% seeing the flop I use the game time a lot. If I happen to find a good table, the 2 or 3 really loose people tend to go broke quick or just leave. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 09:56 | ||
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| Define "late". I find the tables tighten up considerably after about 11P Pacific time. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 11:33 | ||
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| yeah, I was thinking 11:00 PM to about 1 AM Pacific time | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 12:43 | ||
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| If your awake, they get interesting around 3A Pacific time. | ||
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| Re: more hands, Palinya, 10. Dec 2003 12:55 | ||
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| interesting in what way? | ||
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| Re: more hands, Boftx, 10. Dec 2003 13:14 | ||
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| A wider range of skill levels at one table. Once you identify who is who, the good players, the all-niters from the East, the fresh ones from the East, the losers from the West, you can play accordingly and make some decent money. | ||
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| Re: more hands, iceman5, 10. Dec 2003 13:06 | ||
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| Palinya, when posting this many hands, please post them in seperate threads. Its hard to read the way you did it. I think you'll get more responses which will help all of us (especially me). :) | ||
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| Re: more hands, Mark Barnett II, 18. Dec 2003 12:33 | ||
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| is it just me or shouldnt you be looked for looser tables? only 30% seeing the flop on average is about as tight as it gets at a full table *means alots of heads up to get it close to 3 for all the more than 3's* Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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