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 Combating "all ins" in a SNG, iceman5, 9. Dec 2003 13:05 | ||
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| I wonder if anyone has an idea how to combat the situation I was in the other day. I was playing a $10 SNG. It was down to the final 3 (top 3 in the money). After playing for a few minutes I was able to build a big lead. I had about $9000. The other 2 guys each had about $2300 or so. All of the sudden one of them was going all in on almost every hand. I think one of them did it every time I was on the button and limped. And maybe every time I was the BB. I couldnt catch any kind of hand at all. When I had blinded down to about even with them ($4500 each), I caught QQ and busted one of the guys' all ins and eliminated him. Now I was the big stack again. The other guy continued going all in every hand or 2. He caught up to me and when we both had even stacks, he went all in again. I called with 66 and he had KJ and caught a king and I took second. Is there any way to fight this strategy? Obviously they dont have a big hand every time, but I was pretty sure I was better than both of them and I dont want a coin flip situation. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, KJo, 9. Dec 2003 13:16 | ||
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| Coin flips are necessary to play when heads up or 3 players. You should practically never limp when at this stage, and your starting hand requirements should loosen up considerably. Hands like 66 play much better heads up than in a full ring. You absolutely can't let yourself get blinded down to their level. You should also be more aggressive with your big stack, make THEM decide if they want to risk all their chips. They likely read you for weak and went after you every chance they could, and since they were short stacked the all in bets are typically the best way to go. Eli on 9. Dec 2003 13:05 iceman5 wrote: > I wonder if anyone has an idea how to combat the situation I was in the other > day. I was playing a $10 SNG. It was down to the final 3 (top 3 in the money). > After playing for a few minutes I was able to build a big lead. I had about > $9000. The other 2 guys each had about $2300 or so. All of the sudden one of > them was going all in on almost every hand. I think one of them did it every > time I was on the button and limped. And maybe every time I was the BB. I > couldnt catch any kind of hand at all. When I had blinded down to about even > with them ($4500 each), I caught QQ and busted one of the guys' all ins and > eliminated him. Now I was the big stack again. The other guy continued going > all in every hand or 2. He caught up to me and when we both had even stacks, he > went all in again. I called with 66 and he had KJ and caught a king and I took > second. Is there any way to fight this strategy? Obviously they dont have a > big hand every time, but I was pretty sure I was better than both of them and I > dont want a coin flip situation. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, Bond18, 9. Dec 2003 15:00 | ||
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| "Doyle brunson says the key to no-limit is to put a man to a decesion for all his chips" if your the big stack you can push in any time you pick up a pair, an ace, any two paints, or maybe any king if they are using the strategy. Fight fire with fire and all that. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, iceman5, 9. Dec 2003 15:16 | ||
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| I agree somewhat with both responses, but it seems to me that THEY want a coin flip because they dont think they can outplay me. If they go all in 8 times out of 20 hands, they obviously dont have premium hands, but even if they have 9-7, they are still only a slight dog to K-Q or anything else with 2 cards higher than 9. I think I play fairly good heads up. I dont have my results in front of me, but of all the SNG's that I gotten to the final 2..I ve won somewhere around 75%. Of course some of these I had a chip lead when we got heads up, but the point is that I think going all in like they were is only a good idea against a better player than you. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, Aisthesis, 9. Dec 2003 18:40 | ||
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| You've GOT to call them down sometime while you're still on the big stack. You can handle a couple of coin-flips whereas just one loss ends it for them. While I generally prefer just aggressive raising to all-in, in this case it sounds like you didn't have much choice. For the all-ins, I'd hesitate to go on KX (unless you're just not getting anything better at all for a long time--and if they're really doing it EVERY TIME, KX is probably worth it), but AX, any two high cards and any pair would be good hands to call them down on (or to raise with the intention of calling if they go all-in). But even if the cards are running just horribly cold, you have to give yourself some opportunities to win coin-flips before getting blinded down to their level. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, Hatchthunder, 10. Dec 2003 06:42 | ||
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| on 9. Dec 2003 15:16 iceman5 wrote: > I agree somewhat with both responses, but it seems to me that THEY want a coin flip because > they dont think they can outplay me. They obviously ARE outplaying you preflop. You are limping in from the button 3 handed when as a big stack you should be pushing these shortstacks around. You should be putting them to a test every hand you are in. Do they want to CALL your raise putting them all in? You should never ever limp in 3 handed it signals weakness if you are not in the blinds. | ||
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| Re: Combating "all ins" in a SNG, iceman5, 10. Dec 2003 13:12 | ||
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| I agree with you 100% about not limping when its down to 3 way. Im not sure why I did it, but it was only once or twice. | ||
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