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 Interesting problem...., Brian Starr, 9. Dec 2003 03:18 | ||
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| I have taught most of my friends everything they know about hold-em, and they all are hooked. However, just because they can hang with me in our $5 buy-in home game that I dont give a crap about and only play for the social aspect, they think that they will be able to have the same kind of success I have had with online poker. A couple of them are pretty good, and would be able to win consistently online if they just fine-tuned their game, but some of them just suck. I tell them not to start an online account, the games are harder than they think, they need to read and practice more, but they seem to think its free money. What can I tell them to dissuade them from throwing their money away? I feel really bad that I am the one "inspiring" them. | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., SpaceAce, 9. Dec 2003 03:38 | ||
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| That doesn't make any sense. How can you feel bad about other people's decisions? Are any of them mentally incompetent? If not, it's not your problem. You've told them it's tough, you've told them they should study more, you've warned them of the dangers. It's out of your hands, now. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., Brian Starr, 9. Dec 2003 03:42 | ||
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| Yes, they are somewhat mentally incompetent in this area, simply because of the fact that they are addicted. One kid comes up to me every day, tells me how much he lost the night before, i tell him he shouldnt have played, he says he cant help it, he cant stop, he is hooked. And he repeatedly asks me to loan him money, which i refuse, somehow though he gets the money and plays again. All I'm saying is that addiction is at the heart of it, is their counseling for that? I want to help him, but dont know what i can do. | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., Flakes, 9. Dec 2003 04:22 | ||
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| You may have taught your friend the game but in no means should you feel responsible if he has now developed a problem with it. They are two different things. You have tried reasoning with him...keep talking. Maybe he's just caught up in the thrill of it all because it's something new. Time will tell. The best thing that you are doing is refusing to give him money, which would only be supporting the habit. But if he has the itch right now he's going to find ways to get his hands on it anyway. Try to discourage your other friends from giving him money as well. He's going to have to learn the hard way but hopefully he'll come to some kind of balance where he doesn't feel the uncontrolable need to gamble. If not, there's 1-800 - GAMBLER. Flakes | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., SpaceAce, 10. Dec 2003 14:50 | ||
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| If you really believe one or more of them has a gambling problem, try to get them in touch with Gamblers Anonymous. Good luck, though; it usually takes a long time for someone to admit they have an addiction problem and it sounds like this is a fairly new development. Remember, though, you are not responsible for other people's actions or attitudes. Unless you are encouraging his problem by loaning him money or convincing him to gamble more, it's not your responsibility. You should do everything you can to get help for your friends, but you shouldn't feel that it's your fault if they refuse that help. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., stdioh, 10. Dec 2003 15:18 | ||
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| Gambling problems are self regulating. If you're looking at a 45 year old man with a gambling problem, then rock bottom can be very far down, however, a 19 year old kid with the same affliction runs out of cash, goes into debt with some pals, pisses off his pals, and learns his lesson. Not only that, but those 19 year old kids are my bread and butter. Don't do anything too serious unless you think he's getting in financially over his head. | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., Bond18, 11. Dec 2003 07:48 | ||
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| Brian, i have had a similar problem. During the begining of my poker career (way back 10 months ago) i was hustling my friends for 5 or 10 bucks each once a week. Now that i've made so much (ungodly amounts for a college freshman anyway) they all want in and seem to think they can beat it no problem. They seem to think that since i win the guys online must be handing out their money to whoever asks for it, with no learning or thinking involved. As we all know this could not be further from the truth. The BIGGEST problem though is the guys who know the game and can play, but strategically still have enormous holes, so if they start off and have a nice run of cards they win, then think they are invinceable (i swear to god when up 200 dollars my friend said to me as i lectured him "no but im invinceable") but as soon as the cards dry up the lose it all and can't understand what happened. I think if any of your friends are addicted its best to try and get them some help, or if their just "hooked" on the game tell them to get wilsons turbo so they can play and practice at the same time. | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., stdioh, 11. Dec 2003 08:41 | ||
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| Funny...I've met so many cocky lads who have put in a whopping 20 hours in the cardroom and are ahead 100 big bets. You hear things like, "Sure I've been lucky, but if I'm making 5 big bets an hour now, I'm pretty sure that I deserve 3 of them ... maybe I'm making 3 bets an hour out of this place." Hell, I was in that frame of mind once too. It takes a lot of hot runs and a lot of cold runs before you can get truly objective about it and realise that it is just a very swingy game. | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., Mikewad, 14. Dec 2003 14:45 | ||
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| I just love playing against young hotshots that think they are world champions that really dont have much of a bankroll. The same thing happens all the time they hit a bad streak an bust out! | ||
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| Re: Interesting problem...., Meistro, 15. Dec 2003 13:54 | ||
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| I think it's pretty good of you to be concerned about your friends. Maybe make up a story about you losing alot of money? They will think if you can lose hard-core than so can they and be more cautious. | ||
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