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 The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, Mark Gregorich, 9. Dec 2003 01:59 | ||
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| I folded kings before the flop in the second level of today's $2500 no limit hold'em tourney at Bellagio. Here's how the hand went: I started the hand with $5800 in chips, with blinds of $50-100. I open for $300 in early position with KK. A loose player to my left calls (which makes me happy), and then a somewhat reckless player with a huge stack (over 20k) makes it $1100. This player knows and respects me, so I don't like this development too much - I think he must have a big hand here. I decide to reraise to $2300. My thinking is: I shut out the loose caller (I really am only looking to take KK against one opponent), and hope to define my hand to the wild player. If he calls my reraise, I'll figure him for AK, QQ, or JJ. If he reraises my reraise, I'll figure him for AA. The initial caller predictably folds. Then, the wild player immediately declares himself to be all-in. I think for a few seconds, and fold. He shows me AA. Had I just called the $1100 bet, I would have seen the flop, but would have a tough time playing afterward against a low board. I think I would have trouble losing less than the $2300 I put into the hand (of course, I would also give myself a chance to flop a set). Also, I would be playing a major three way pot out of position - not the situation I wanted. Had the AA just called my $2300 reraise, I would be in trouble. In fact, I would probably have gone broke on the hand, as I would be more inclined to put him on JJ or QQ should low cards flop. This laydown kept me alive, but alas, it was the closest thing to a hand I saw in four hours, so I eventually was knocked out. Mark | ||
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| Re: The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, Highflyin3484k, 9. Dec 2003 06:47 | ||
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| I have folded kings once in a situation like an queens prolly 5 or more times. some people are to obvious with the "rocket read". Good lay down. Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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| Re: The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, Coconut, 9. Dec 2003 13:45 | ||
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| Mike Sexton would have complimented you | ||
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| Re: The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, Bond18, 9. Dec 2003 13:50 | ||
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| Good hand, i always enjoy your posts mark, the stakes make it interesting every time. GL next time. | ||
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| Re: The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, palman, 9. Dec 2003 15:40 | ||
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| Mark, Here are my questions: You stated in your post that you would have gotten knocked out if he just flat out called your re-raise. What do you think of his play? If he flat calls the re-raise, there is about 5k in chips in the pot, thus his pushing all in preflop is essentially risk-free. You either fold, and he wins 5k chips free, or you go all in where he has the chance to win those 5k chips and another 3k of yours as a huge favorite. The case for him pushing all in is this: He has 5k chips for the taking with no risk if you fold, and if you don't fold its just another 3k chips that he has the CHANCE to get. There's no guarantee he'll get those chips (say an A falls on the flop) and there's a chance he can get sucked out, in which not only he loses the 5k in the pot, but 3k more from his stack. The case for flat calling is this: He has 20k chips, if he doubled you up, he's still very healthy with 15k chips. Flat calling gives the best chance to get the most amount of chips, which he has to take the opportunity to do. He has position over you, likely is putting you on K's or Q's since you say he respects you, and thus can play and bet it accordingly to trap you in. If he is really astute he can gather what you are putting him on, whether it be the caliber of JJ or AK, or rockets (you said if he called you'd put him on those hands, so if he's played with you enough to know thats what you'll think, thats an advantage) What do you think of his play, and what would you do here? | ||
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| Re: The anatomy of a KK preflop fold, Mark Gregorich, 10. Dec 2003 01:21 | ||
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| I thought he played his hand fine. Had he just called my raise, though, he would get the rest of my chips as long as an ace or king didn't come. Was it worth the risk of allowing me to flop a set for him to just call? Probably not, in my opinion - if you keep playing showdowns in no limit, sooner or later you will lose some even if you are a big favorite. I think its best to try and win decent sized pots right away, as there is less risk. Plus, he had to figure I would probably call him with KK, so why not move in right away? Mark | ||
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