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 Was I a big wimp?, SpaceAce, 8. Dec 2003 21:45 | ||
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| I'm in the small blind with AQs. The action goes fold, raise, fold, fold, fold, fold, call, call and I call. Right now, I am putting the raiser on AK. This is a fairly typical low limit game on PartyPoker and aggression usually means someone is holding a decent hand. The flop is AcQc4d. I have spades. Two pair looks pretty good so I bet and the original raiser raises me. One player calls and one folds. I reraise and the pre-flop raiser caps the pot. The other player calls and I call. Now I am seriously considering AA for the raiser. I still think AK is the most likely hand for him to have but I can't rule out a big set with AA or QQ. The turn is is 8c putting three clubs on the board. Now in addition to possibly facing a set, I have to think about about the straggler who may have been drawing to a club flush. So, I check-call the turn and river (river was a blank) and I take it down. The raiser did have AK which I figured he probably had and I was disappointed in myself for chickening out on the turn. I am normally very aggressive and checking here is totally against my usual playing style but the combination of the cap on the flop and tag-along in middle position made me shy. I'm thinking of all the likely hands that can beat me, like AA, QQ and any two clubs. Was check-calling as pathetic a decision as I think or was it reasonable given the circumstances? SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Was I a big wimp?, Flakes, 8. Dec 2003 23:03 | ||
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| I liked the way you handled your play. If you were heads up and you didn't have the tag-along in the pot who called two bets cold and then another two bets cold, I would have bet the turn. But because he was in there and you put the preflop raisor on AK, what could the other guy be in there with. It could be a flush draw. If it was a flush that he hit you're drawing pretty slim to catch up and you may cost yourself too many extra bets by leading at the turn. If the original raisor did have a set, he may make it expensive for you too. Either way the MP guy is going to raise the pot anyway, and if your hand is good, well that's even better yet. I would check call the turn because you know the MP player will bet it for you anyway. If you have the best hand and you put him on AK, than you're in a good spot anyway. I guess you could argue that maybe the tag-along guy had a pair and some kind of draw and that you should make him pay two bets cold on the turn to go for it if you really thought that the MP guy would raise you again on the turn with a lesser hand than what you had. I think you have to go with your reads there but I would check the turn and if the MP player bets and the other guy folds, I would check/raise him and lead at the river if the river card looked clean enough to bet. Flakes | ||
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| Re: Was I a big wimp?, SpaceAce, 8. Dec 2003 23:15 | ||
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| Hi, Thanks for the reply. I feel a little better since you seem to view the situation a lot like I did. Without the third player who refused to get out of the way, I would have bet the turn. To me, the flush seemed like the most likely draw to keep him in. If he had folded, I think I would have called and check-raised on the river instead since the other player showed no sign of slowing down but I might have frightened him with a raise on the turn with three clubs showing. Also, I would definitely had made the third player pay as much as possible if almost anything besides a club had fallen but I would be drawing very thin indeed to try and river his made flush. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Was I a big wimp?, KJo, 9. Dec 2003 13:24 | ||
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| Two pair is a hand to play fast until you have a reason to slow down. You had a couple reasons on the turn- the flush card, and the other raiser who didn't back down at all on the flop and you knew he had big cards. You played it fine. Eli on 8. Dec 2003 21:45 SpaceAce wrote: > I'm in the small blind with AQs. The action goes fold, raise, fold, fold, fold, > fold, call, call and I call. Right now, I am putting the raiser on AK. This is a > fairly typical low limit game on PartyPoker and aggression usually means someone > is holding a decent hand. > > The flop is AcQc4d. I have spades. Two pair looks pretty good so I bet and the > original raiser raises me. One player calls and one folds. I reraise and the > pre-flop raiser caps the pot. The other player calls and I call. Now I am > seriously considering AA for the raiser. I still think AK is the most likely > hand for him to have but I can't rule out a big set with AA or QQ. The turn is > is 8c putting three clubs on the board. Now in addition to possibly facing a > set, I have to think about about the straggler who may have been drawing to a > club flush. So, I check-call the turn and river (river was a blank) and I take > it down. The raiser did have AK which I figured he probably had and I was > disappointed in myself for chickening out on the turn. > > I am normally very aggressive and checking here is totally against my usual > playing style but the combination of the cap on the flop and tag-along in middle > position made me shy. I'm thinking of all the likely hands that can beat me, > like AA, QQ and any two clubs. Was check-calling as pathetic a decision as I > think or was it reasonable given the circumstances? > > SpaceAce > | ||
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| Re: Was I a big wimp?, SpaceAce, 10. Dec 2003 20:29 | ||
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| Thanks, Eli. I like to be aggressive and I often find myself doubting the times when I backed off and I was wrong. I'm glad to hear some other players say it was an OK move. SpaceAce | ||
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