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 Bad Play?, Blue Sky, 8. Dec 2003 12:38 | ||
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| Playing in a once a month 100 person NL $30 buy-in tourney. There are a lot of WPT Wannabes (folks who have just found poker from TV.) Were in the 4th round of blinds and I'm tied with one other for the chip lead and am sitting in the BB and look at Jc7s. One limper and the SB completes and I check to look at the flop. (The limper is the other chip leader and a solid player, the SB is brand new to poker and is annoying the table with his play but has managed to stay alive by the slimest of margins.) Flop comes Jd 8c 9s. SB bets the size of the blinds ($200,) I take it up to $500 total, the Limper hem-haws for a minute and flat calls? SB completes. Turn is the Js. SB bets out $200? I take it up to $1000...Limper thinks long and hard and calls, SB completes again. River is the KC. SB bets out $500 I go over the top All-in for $900 more. Limper thinks for like 5 minutes and after almost mucking 5 or 6 times he calls all in for exactly what I had. SB has $100 of it and we roll them over. SB had K's and J's two pair (remember he was new to the game and didn't have a clue.) I showed the trip J's and lost to the Limpers Trip J's with a better kicker. My question (well other then how could the Limper call me?) really though, should I have just mucked on the flop with this hand (top pair no kicker) when there was a possible straight and maybe a flush to come? | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, KJo, 8. Dec 2003 13:12 | ||
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| The limper played it correctly, mostly because he had the advantage of position. You didn't. When they're playing back at you with that board and your weak kicker, you've got to either shut down completely or slow down. After the turn it was pretty clear that you were beat, nobody (except an idiot, like the SB) would call a big bet on that board without having at least trip jacks, and just by default their kicker should be much better than yours. Eli on 8. Dec 2003 12:38 Blue Sky wrote: > Playing in a once a month 100 person NL $30 buy-in tourney. There are a lot of > WPT Wannabes (folks who have just found poker from TV.) > > Were in the 4th round of blinds and I'm tied with one other for the chip lead > and am sitting in the BB and look at Jc7s. One limper and the SB completes and > I check to look at the flop. (The limper is the other chip leader and a solid > player, the SB is brand new to poker and is annoying the table with his play but > has managed to stay alive by the slimest of margins.) > > Flop comes Jd 8c 9s. SB bets the size of the blinds ($200,) I take it up to > $500 total, the Limper hem-haws for a minute and flat calls? SB completes. > > Turn is the Js. SB bets out $200? I take it up to $1000...Limper thinks long > and hard and calls, SB completes again. > > River is the KC. SB bets out $500 I go over the top All-in for $900 more. > Limper thinks for like 5 minutes and after almost mucking 5 or 6 times he calls > all in for exactly what I had. SB has $100 of it and we roll them over. > > SB had K's and J's two pair (remember he was new to the game and didn't have a > clue.) I showed the trip J's and lost to the Limpers Trip J's with a better > kicker. > > My question (well other then how could the Limper call me?) really though, > should I have just mucked on the flop with this hand (top pair no kicker) when > there was a possible straight and maybe a flush to come? | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, Denver, 8. Dec 2003 13:26 | ||
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| First, I know you're in Colorado, same as me, so I was wondering if this was a private tourney, an online one, or at one of the casinos. I play almost exclusively online so I'm not aware of any live tourneys -- but if this was live I'd love to know more about it. Anyway, I think that your hand was a classic trap hand. When you don't have much, but you get a good piece of the flop it makes it very difficult to let the hand go. Based on your read of your opponents I might've put the SB on over cards, but in reading it I thought the limper had a straight. When someone keeps flat calling bets like that they are either extracting your chips or calling off their own. Based on your read of this guy I would've started to suspect the former. However, when you hit the perfect 2nd Best hand card you're almost assured of losing a lot of chips. I don't think you played horribly, and if you can lay down trips thinking that you're kicker's no good then you should write a book. In the end, the only way you could've gotten away from the hand was to make the decision that you'd get rid of a marginal flop if the board looked threatening, which in this case it certainly did. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, Bond18, 8. Dec 2003 14:39 | ||
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| I think after you caught your jack on the turn the hand becomes very hard to get away from, but on that flop you gotta think that if you got two callers soembody has a better jack than you. So even when you catch your jack on the turn just check it because while it gives the image of improving your hand you gotta beleive you were beat since flop with TWO callers, with one caller i'd say your solid with trip jacks but with 2 your in trouble. | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, Brett LeMarinel, 8. Dec 2003 17:15 | ||
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| If you are interested in tournaments in CO, look at the Cardplayer.com website for regualrly scheduled Casino tournaments in Cripple Creek (buy ins around 35$) also, if you are intersted in a home game with regularly weekly NL HE tournaments send me an email at blemarinel1111@aol.com I will put you in touch with the person who runs the games. BL | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, Blue Sky, 8. Dec 2003 17:49 | ||
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| Denver, This was a live tourney, which you can pretty much find any day of the week in denver for all limits of buy-in.... Email me at pokerindenver@yahoo.com....There is a tourney Wed night...and I will probably be starting one on Sunday afternoons.. | ||
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