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 Hosting A Tournament, Bel's Dad, 8. Dec 2003 09:18 | ||
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| I am hosting my first tournament though I have played in a few, I never checked on a few of the details of the tournament management, as I was too involved in the game. I am expecting somewhere between 25-32 players for no-limit hold'em. Players are starting with 10,000 and blinds are 50/100 increasing every 1/2 hour. Questions: 1) What time frame can I expect with the above structure? 2) The plan is to start with 3 or 4 tables depending on the number of players (max 10 per table). How do you handle it if you do not have an even number of people (25, 26, 29, 31) in terms of splitting up tables? Does it matter if we have 3 tables with two of the three having a different total amount of chips due to an unequal number of players. 3) Lastly, what is the best method for consolidating tables? Wait until only 3 are left at each table and move to one table of 9? Move down to 2 tables as soon as you are down to 20? Do you even out the 3 tables if one table gets down to 5 or 6 when the others are still at 8 or 9? Thanks, any help would be appreciated. | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, xf1000, 8. Dec 2003 11:41 | ||
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| Well my friends and I host the exact same type of tourney ever other Wed in Northen CA, Anyway we start with $10,000 in chips, blinds 100-200 and go to 200-400,400-800, 500-1000(chip off the 100 chips at this point) and then go to 1000-2000, 2000-4000 and 3000-6000 and 5000-10000. If your tables are moving fast, you have real fast dealers with this blind structure(raising the blinds every 25 minutes) and about 25 guys you will be done in about 3 hours to 31/2hours.WE do have some crazies that like to go all in so you will have to experiment a little. The problems you will have are that if you pass the deal it really slows down the game unless you have a bunch of expert card players( we have a few card players and a bunch of stoners). We usually appoint the two fastest card dealers and have teh other guys shuffle we combine tables as quickly as possible, when we get down to 22 we go two tables of 11 and then when we are down to 11 guys we combine to one. It is good to combine tables so the blinds don't start eating into the shorthanded tables. This set up has worked pretty good for us for the last 5 months. So good luck and have fun. | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, TJ, 8. Dec 2003 17:16 | ||
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| I have hosted several very successful tournaments in the past year, and now host one every 3 months. Last tourney had 62 players. We started with 6 tables of 8 and 2 tables of seven. Rules state: "tables shall be kept reasonably balanced by transfering players. With more than six tables, table size shall be kept within 2 players. With six tables or less, within 1 player. When tables are reduced to 3 tables, seating positions will be redrawn for 3 tables, 2 tables, and last table. (redrawing for 3 tables is not neccassary when starting with only 4 or 5 tables." Not crazy about your format, but to each his own. Can offer some insight from past experience if you have any more questions. Also have some other formats if your interested (they worked well for me and everyone was happy). GOOD LUCK. | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, Bel's Dad, 8. Dec 2003 18:37 | ||
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| TJ, I would love to hear suggestions as well as critique. What specifically about the proposed format would you suggest changing? Always looking for ways to make this more fun. | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, SASO, 8. Dec 2003 19:20 | ||
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| Sounds like fun- can I come? Just kid'n- you're question is probably one of the most common on this site- because, simply- its not easy to put a tournament together. You have all these choices: no limit, pot limit, limit, what the blinds are to be, minutes to a session, number of players vs how many card tables are available, if there are to be re-buys, etc. Well- I'll give you some insight to this query since this is what I do for a living- I'm a poker room manager. First- I know that you've been to tourneys before, maybe they were home game tourneys? that would be useful info- anyway, this is not the world series or the poker open, so your blinds being 100/200 to start off with is not really needed. The 10k in tournament chips is great! Its always more fun when you have a high denomination of tournament chips to start off with. But, I feel that your starting blinds are to high. Your playing a no-limit game and I'm assuming the people you have invited to this tournament are mostly friends (I hope). So, there's no reason to put investment blind pressure on short stacked players early in a game. Meaning- you will begin having 300/600 blinds in 120 minutes of the game- that's not fun. The purpose behind blinds carry 3 reasons 1) replaces the ante 2) forces a call or get out play of game 3) Restricts players from just sitting back and waiting forever to catch good cards. What do all these have in common?? Its the casino saying "give me your money, hurry up, and lets get this over with asap!" So, a friendly, but serious game can start out at 25/50, then 50/100, 100/200, 200/400- then maybe a break. After the break, begin at 500/1000 until the final table- at the final table double the blinds every 15 minutes. Your question about tables being even with action (players) is something of a headache. You have to keep the number of table players as similar as possible- but sometimes your stuck with 2 tables of 6 and 1 table of 5. Once you do have a table light a player, and one table heavy- its customary to choose the player second to last in action (or the guy whose behind the button). Sometimes you will see a table draw a high card for the move- but if you want to play and run this thing at the same time, it will become annoying for you and your table. When two tables are left and the final person eliminated who equated even tables happens- have everyone on both tables draw cards for seating arrangements for the final table- no dibbs on seats! Just remember- a final table of 7 people is more interesting than a final table of 10. For some reason, at the final table, all remaining players take twice as long to think if they are going to call or fold? Its due to nobody wanting to be the first person out at the final table with all watching- it sucks, I've been there. If I may- I'd like to give you some tips. 1) make sure you have rules laid out. Not the regular rule stating "all official poker rules apply"- that's not enough. Especially define no "string betting" (you don't want any fights breaking out) also, make sure that everyone deals the same way (I was at an Elk's lodge tournament a few years ago and these old timers were screaming at me because I burned cards) Finally, but most important, do not ever through one of these tournaments again, if your gonna play! It sucks to play and mediate, moderate, and settle disputes when you're trying to play! It's a sure way to get unfocused and not play your top game. Sorry- but it happens every time. Maybe, if somebody is out of tournament early and don't want to go home to the wife- have them organize tables and such. One last hint- with thirty or so people playing- you have to assume that 1/3rd will be out in the first 2 hours- they'll get bored. I find it fun to have eliminated players sit down with a deck and some extra chips for a winner take all, single table, no limit tournament. 20 bucks per person is pretty good money for the winner of a 10 player tourney! Anyway, good luck and have fun -SASO | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, Bel's Dad, 9. Dec 2003 06:58 | ||
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| SASO, Thanks for the help. I have a couple of other questions if you wouldn't mind. For one, regarding the 500/1000 that you mentioned. Are you saying that once the blinds are 500/1000 that we leave it that way until the final table or were you saying that we should keep doubling until we get to the final table. I think that you meant the former. How do you handle misdeals as there will not be a designated dealer (unless early exiters want to deal rather than play their own game)? Are burn cards a bad idea for a home game with potentially inexperienced Hold'em dealers? | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, TJ, 9. Dec 2003 09:34 | ||
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| Excellent info SASO, running tourneys as I do I totally agree about playing and running it.....although I do anyway because I JUST LOVE TO PLAY. However we do get several people to help who are not playing. The last tourney with 62 people was quite hectic. I also think your starting your blinds to high, but my tournaments however start with only 1,000 in chips. Below I'll try to give you a quick rundown, if you like Bel, email me an address (centerfield14@msn.com) and I'll send you the actual brochure we hand out for the tournament. There has been much trial and error but this is where we are at now. Buy in $60 (Start with 1,000 in chips) , re-buys $40 ($700 in chips), top-up $60 (another $1,000 in chips). Rebuys can only be made during first 5 rounds, anytime your chip total falls below your starting total of $1,000 (unlimited re-buys, makes for a nice pot) Rounds: 1. $10-$20, 2. 20-40, (break, & color up $10chips) 3. 25-50, 4. 50-100, 5. 100-200 (break & end of re-buys) & (Top-up) Level 6 starts 15min. rounds 6. $100-$200 ($25 ante), 7. 150-300 ($50 ante), 8. 200-400 ($75 ante) (break & color up $25 chips) 9. 300-600 ($100 ante), 10. 400-800 ($100 ante), 11. 600-1200 (yes a $200 jump) ($200 ante), 12. 800-1600 ($300 ante) (break & color up $100 chips) Levels now decrease to 12min. rounds 13. $1000-$2000 ($500 ante), 14. 1500-3000 ($500 ante), 15. 2000-4000 ($500 ante), 16. 3000-6000 ($1000 ante) Break, and then simply continue out increasing small blind by 1000 and double the total for the big blind, and increase the ante's by $1000 for each round. (Yes if you noticed the ante's do repeat at times earlier). Several notes, its important for players to realize the real tourney does not start till after the rebuys end, the rebuys however create a real nice pot. Our last tourney ended up with these prizes: 1st - $3825, 2nd - $2125, 3rd - $1275, 4th - $850, 5th - $425.......... ......Not bad for a $60 investment, although most have to count on one rebuy and the top up so your investment may be $160. This format is used at an established, professional card room in my area for one of their tournaments. You can also do this starting with $2000 in chips everything else the same (rebuys 1700 and top up 2000) We also do a simpler one for are smaller game 16 -20 people. Make you buy in whatever you want, but NO rebuys or top up. Start with $2000 in chips, rounds 15min. 1st round $25 -$25 (yes small and big blind the same), then $25-$50, $50- $100, 100-200, so on and so forth till the end (big blind continues to become next small blind, etc.). Take your breaks as you see fit , no antes, and just continue till the end. This is nice format because you don't need a lot of chips, everyone just gets 11 chips ( 3- $500's, 4-$100's, and 4-$25's) change can be continually made at the table with the other players. For prizes we give out 5 at the big tournament and use a final table of 7. Two from the final table get left out of the money, however next tournament we're expecting in excess of 80 people so we may go with 7 prizes. We break it down for the five as follows: 45%, 25%, 15%, 10%, 5%. Sorry for the long response just got caught up in it, just love talking and learning poker. Good Luck and let me know how its going, Help anyway I can. | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, TJ, 9. Dec 2003 09:39 | ||
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| p.s. I would definitely burn cards, it is the way the game is supposed to be played, and we handle misdeals by allowing anyone to call one and allowing the majority at the table decide. May not be the best way but its all we got for now. With as many people as we have you have let some self policing go on or you would go nuts! | ||
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| Re: Hosting A Tournament, jordanrw, 20. Jan 2004 14:08 | ||
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| Could someone post a list of common disputes/resolutions. Things like cards accidently dealt up, string bets .... what else? | ||
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