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 Two Pair Misery, CRCarson, 7. Dec 2003 05:14 | ||
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| I hate two pair. I have JJ, and the flop comes 55A. The guy with the other A wins. I have AA, and the board is T345T. The guy with three T's wins. I bet my two pair...I lose to trips. I fold my two pair pair and someone with a smaller two pair wins. I'm about at the point that if I see a pair on the board and I can't make trips, I fold. Please...someone...anyone...tell me how to play this infernal hand. Thank you. | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, Dave Moore, 7. Dec 2003 12:14 | ||
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| I'm with you. Just this morning, I'm in 1st position, KQs comes. I bet the pot. the guys in second calls, and then there's one more caller. The flop come KQT. I make a nice bet, 2nd guy raises, 3rd guy folds. Turn doesn't matter...I bet the pot, other guy raises, I re-raise, he goes all in (like another $3) I call. River doesn't matter. He made the Ace high straight on the flop. How do you lay down top two pair, kings and queens, with no aces on the board? | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, Mark Barnett II, 9. Dec 2003 09:56 | ||
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| ok maybe im missing something and having never played PL more than likely but. you raise before the flop and he calls what hands could he have? you bet on the flop and he reraises what could he have? *if i were playing, i would start getting worried here, AJ is very possible and so are trips, KT or QT are possible but how likely? you bet the turn and he raises what could he have? *if i were playing i would be extremely worried here, KT and QT are almost out the window you have told him your hands strength at this point you have bet the pot twice and he is still firing back at you* Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, Palinya, 7. Dec 2003 17:21 | ||
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| "I have JJ, and the flop comes 55A. The guy with the other A wins." This one is pretty easy.... If someone is betting, it's because they more than likely have an A or a 5... fold it, you aren't going to win. Just yesterday I had QQ. I raised it pre-flop, I was re-raised and it was capped... the flop came out A K 6 and someone bet into me. The right thing to do is fold it and don't give them any more money. Just because it's a pocket pair doesn't mean it is going to win! If you had JK and the flop came up 5 J A would you bet it with someone betting into you? You have the same hand... just a pair of jacks. Actually you have a better hand than in your example because you could still catch a K or a runner, runner straight and there is no threat of trip 5s. But you would probably fold this pair of Jacks but keep the pair of pocket Jacks where your situation is a lot more dismal? I think the problem is people see a pocket pair and they automatically think they won. This is still just a pair and it is dependant on the flop not giving overcards, straights and flushes "I have AA, and the board is T345T. The guy with three T's wins" This one is a little trickier since you are looking really good until the river. You need to be betting it all the way until the river comes and then check and call the river since the pot is so big and hope your opponent has KK, QQ or JJ. But in this case he's probably still in because he has a straight or was betting top pair tens. If he raises your turn bet, don't re-raise because of the straight possibility. Here you have to check and call if he is showing aggression. | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, Robert M, 8. Dec 2003 11:11 | ||
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| Yes, if you have pocket Q's for instance, there is about a 50% chance that an overcard will appear on the flop. If there is no overcard, then bet out big, take the pot right there if you can, and move on to the next hand. Thats why KK is much much stronger then QQ, and AA uses and abuses KK. JJ looks nice but you have to reevaluate your hand after the flop. If you marry your hand preflop, then you will lose alot of money. | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, Top Gun-1989, 8. Dec 2003 15:14 | ||
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| I fold small pairs EP and will see the flop for 1 bet MP through LP. | ||
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| Re: Two Pair Misery, stdioh, 10. Dec 2003 15:41 | ||
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| Two pair means absolutely dick. What matters is what you have compared to the board. If you have JJ and the board is 55A this is *worse* than having JJ with a board of 27A - why? Because there are 5 cards in the deck that can beat you alone. Any A or 5 makes a better hand than yours and that doesn't include QQ, KK, or all of the draws to straights, flushes, and overcards that could come. Likewise when you have AA and the board is T932T, or whatever, a single T beats you. This is a bad thing for AA. Now it's a nice board in that you can beat somebody who hass 93 or something stupid, but that means squat when the top pair has jjust rivered the overpair. Similarly, having Ah2s in your hand with a board of 3s4sTsTcAs is a piece of fromage. You have a flush, but it is the worst flush that you could possibly have using one card. There are 8 cards in the deck that beat you on their own ... not to mention the chance of somebody having a full house. When is 2 pair a great hand then? When you have an uncoordinated board, it is great. When the board is As7d2h and you're holding Ac7c you have a powerful hand. It is something that you might even slowplay, under the right circumstances. When you have AcKd and the board is AsKs9d, you've still got a wonderful hand, but now is the time to bet hard and try to take the money while you can. Everybody and his pet monkey will be on a straight or flush draw and your job is to get as much as you can from anybody who wants to see another card for free. If you want to learn more about 2 pair hands, pick up a book - an excellent beginner book is Lee Jones - Winning Low Limit Hold'em. | ||
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