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 Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, Kymmer, 6. Dec 2003 16:10 | ||
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| In an attempt to expand my horizons and to gain some practice in NL (at which I am, admittedly, a puny player), I entered a $3,000 freeroll the other day. I am most happy to note, that I did NOT, repeat NOT, place last. I placed a hardly respectable six-hunnert and something in a field of seven hunnert and something. Ennyway - 7 hands into the tournament, the following hand happened. What would you have done in my place? The table was young enough that the texture was basically manic - it was, afterall, a freeroll. I am -Studs- ------Pre Flop jayzee posts small blind ($10.00) -Studs- posts big blind ($20.00) I am holding A K EddieM calls hnh_76 calls jej calls nongnon folds shamu80 folds skydander calls Changs folds acpoker raises for $220.00 jayzee folds -Studs- raises for $400.00 EddieM calls hnh_76 folds jej folds skydander calls acpoker ---------Flop T 8 T -Studs- checks EddieM bets $20.00 skydander raises for $100.00 acpoker calls -Studs- calls EddieM calls all-in for $80.00 --------Turn T 8 T A -Studs- raises all-in for $480.00 (EddieM all-in) skydander calls acpoker calls all-in for $470.00 ------River T 8 T A 6 (-Studs- all-in) A A T T K (EddieM all-in) T 9 8 7 6 skydander checks (acpoker all-in) A A T T Q skydander shows T T T T A | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, iceman5, 6. Dec 2003 17:25 | ||
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| Freerolls are hard to play because there are so many strange plays being made. When I used to play them, I would fold almost everything the first few rounds until the total morons get busted out. Im not saying I wouldve folded AK, but just something to think about. Anyway, I definately would have folded on the flop. Its hard to believe that nobody has a 10. | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, Schuster, 7. Dec 2003 01:29 | ||
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| If you're going to reraise a raiser, especially when you're out of position with a medium strength hand, a pot sized raise or close, not a minimum raise, is very important most of the time. You do not want to give someone good odds to see a flop and beat you when you could get them to fold with a marginal holding. To calculate a pot sized raise (this is tricky at first, but you get used to it), do the following. First, imagine you "called" the current bet and count up the total pot, including your call. Then, raise that much more on top of your call. For example, in your hand, the pot when it gets to you is 20+20+20+220+10+20+200 = 510. Note that the last 200 is from your call. Now, you raise 510 more, making it 710 to see the flop. You don't need to do this accurately down to the chip, but close is good. As for the actual hand, when people call your flop bet in that many spots, you usually have to figure you don't have the best hand, even if you do pair the ace. Someone really looks like they have a ten. Finally, when posting future hands, you will receive better quality and volume of responses if your narrate the hand yourself, rather than just posting the hand history. A hand history says nothing about your thought process at each point in the hand, and it is difficult to follow sometimes. Put the hand in your own words! Good luck in future hands Kymmer. Lee | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, SpaceAce, 7. Dec 2003 02:33 | ||
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| Actually, he didn't bet the flop and that is going to be the point of my post. I think after you re-raised pre-flop you should have bet the flop. Someone probably has a 10, but as the aggressor I think you should have gone ahead and bet. If you get raised, you can probably let the hand go without much trouble. Granted, skylander probably would not have raised you out of the pot with a deck-crippling hand like that but many times your best will get you valuable information. Edit: I guess when you said "flop bet" you were talking pre-flop. I just meant he should have bet on the flop. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, KJo, 7. Dec 2003 16:46 | ||
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| Don't like the reraise pre-flop or the call on the flop. The pre-flop raiser bet something like 10x the BB, a huge raise. I'd rather call than reraise, but like Lee said if you do reraise you have to really put the odds out of whack, a minimum reraise won't do it. You have to fold on the flop, there's no way you have the best hand with that action and in NL you never chase. Eli on 6. Dec 2003 16:10 Kymmer wrote: > In an attempt to expand my horizons and to gain some practice in NL (at which I > am, admittedly, a puny player), I entered a $3,000 freeroll the other day. I am > most happy to note, that I did NOT, repeat NOT, place last. I placed a hardly > respectable six-hunnert and something in a field of seven hunnert and > something. > > Ennyway - 7 hands into the tournament, the following hand happened. What would > you have done in my place? The table was young enough that the texture was > basically manic - it was, afterall, a freeroll. I am -Studs- > > ------Pre Flop > jayzee posts small blind ($10.00) > -Studs- posts big blind ($20.00) I am holding A K > EddieM calls > hnh_76 calls > jej calls > nongnon folds > shamu80 folds > skydander calls > Changs folds > acpoker raises for $220.00 > jayzee folds > -Studs- raises for $400.00 > EddieM calls > hnh_76 folds > jej folds > skydander calls > acpoker > > ---------Flop T 8 T > -Studs- checks > EddieM bets $20.00 > skydander raises for $100.00 > acpoker calls > -Studs- calls > EddieM calls all-in for $80.00 > > --------Turn T 8 T A > -Studs- raises all-in for $480.00 > (EddieM all-in) > skydander calls > acpoker calls all-in for $470.00 > > ------River T 8 T A 6 > (-Studs- all-in) A A T T K > (EddieM all-in) T 9 8 7 6 > skydander checks > (acpoker all-in) A A T T Q > > skydander shows T T T T A | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Thank you!, Kymmer, 7. Dec 2003 22:43 | ||
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| Thanks guys! This is all very helpful discourse. You might be pleased to know that my next freeroll I did much better - placing 89 in a field of 638 and in the money for 6 big bucks. The discussion on betting/calling/raising strategy is especially helpful. My game is limit poker and that is fairly strait forward. NL is another animal. Frankly, I'm at the stage of throwing the chips out there and holding my breath. Not the best strategy for sure. So any further enlightenment on that subject would be most appreciated. http://www.kebzweb.com | ||
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| Re: Oh what a hand! Comments Please!, maniacmath13, 9. Dec 2003 18:37 | ||
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| im guessing you were playing the midnight freeroll at Gaming Club Poker? i love that tournament. finished 2nd last night for 330 dollars. not too bad a payout for a freeroll. | ||
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