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 Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 13:10 | ||
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| I was on a slightly loose 6-handed 10/20 at Party and the following hand occured. I limped in with 33, expecting as close to good pot odds as you ever can get 6-handed for a pocket pair. I planned on folding to a raise from Seat5 or Seat3, and of course folding on the flop if it didn't hit me. Long story short, the flop hit, turn appeared safe, but the river action made me think about a set of 10's, therefore I only called the re-raise. Because of the lack of pre-flop raises I was fairly certain that all the prior action had been on K's or maybe K's up, but I couldn't rule out Seat6 just limping with TT from the SB. Allowing that many of you would not have limped in to start with here, I feel the rest of my play was reasonable, including the intended slow-play and subsequent re-raise on the flop, but would like to know if I should have capped the river. Any comments? Here is the hand. 10/20 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - (6 max) Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: a bit loose, slightly aggressive, tends to overplay Seat 2: seems average, nothing dumb observed Seat 3: a reasonable player, but points out bad play when beat Seat 4: boftx, probably a total fish Seat 5: solid player Seat 6: very much like Seat1 Seat6 posts small blind (5) Seat1 posts big blind (10) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to boftx [ 3c, 3d ] Seat2 calls, Seat3 folds. boftx calls. Seat5 calls. Seat6 calls. Seat1 checks. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 3s, Kh ] Seat6 checks. Seat1 bets. Seat2 folds. boftx calls. Seat5 folds. Seat6 raises. Seat1 calls. boftx raises. Seat6 calls. Seat1 calls. ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ] Seat6 bets. Seat1 calls. boftx raises. Seat6 calls. Seat1 calls. ** Dealing River ** : [ Td ] Seat6 bets. Seat1 calls. boftx raises. Seat6 raises. Seat1 calls. boftx calls. ** Summary ** Main Pot: $438 | Rake: $2 Board: [ 5c 3s Kh 2c Td ] Seat1, lost $140 [ 2s Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kd,Kh,Td,2s,2c ] Seat2, lost $10 (folded) Seat3, didn't bet (folded) boftx, bet $140, collected $438, net +$298 [ 3c 3d ] [ three of a kind, threes -- Kh,Td,3c,3d,3s ] Seat5, lost $10 (folded) Seat6, lost $140 [ Ks Ts ] [ two pairs, kings and tens -- Ks,Kh,Ts,Td,5c ] | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, ReMMy, 3. Dec 2003 13:18 | ||
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| Bot, Considering the players and the table type, I think yes you should have capped the betting. I wouldn't make it 3 to go if it was 2 to you, since you could be reraised, but at this point you're almost positive you have 1 of them beat, and you're pretty sure(at least 50/50) that you have the other one beat. Since you will pick up 2 extra bets when you win, and only lose 1 when you lose, you only need to win 1 out of 3 to break even by capping(assuming they will both definately call, which seems reasonable). ReMMy | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 13:51 | ||
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| The more I look back at that hand the more I tend to agree that I wimped out on the river. Jim | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, shorn, 3. Dec 2003 13:26 | ||
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| I would have capped it there. What are the chances that the guy would call all the flop/turn bets with TT?? Wouldn't he put you on at least KQ and figure he was beat? Sets are extremely powerful hands short-handed, and thus you need to maximize them when you have a live one. I think you should have raised. | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 13:40 | ||
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| on 3. Dec 2003 13:26 shorn wrote: > I would have capped it there. What are the chances that the guy would call all the > flop/turn bets with TT?? Wouldn't he put you on at least KQ and figure he was beat? > Sets are extremely powerful hands short-handed, and thus you need to maximize them > when you have a live one. I think you should have raised. I didn't think along those lines, but you are probably correct. His earlier play showed him capable of fishing the river, and I had only been in 2 hands prior to this outside the blinds so nobody had a good read on me yet. Speaking of sets, and by way of extension suited connectors, doesn't one always have to take a chance on them to a certain extent given you can't get 7:1 odds in a 6-handed game? I pretty much rely on the implied odds to allow me to play those. Jim | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, ReMMy, 3. Dec 2003 13:46 | ||
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| Why can't you get 7:1 odds in a 6 person game? You may be approaching odds from the wrong perspective... | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 13:50 | ||
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| on 3. Dec 2003 13:46 ReMMy wrote: > Why can't you get 7:1 odds in a 6 person game? You may be approaching odds from the wrong > perspective... I might very well be. I figure that in an unraised family pot, the best you get is 5:1 on your money (outside the blinds). On the other hand, suppose I limp from UTG, button raises, both blinds call. Am I getting 7:1 if I call the raise? This is where I am decidedly weak on knowing the odds. Jim | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Schuster, 3. Dec 2003 13:52 | ||
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| Costs you one more bet to call and there's 7 in there. That's 7 to 1. Yes, preflop, the best you can get when you're not in a blind is 5 to 1 for the total preflop action, but on the individual decision you're getting 7 to 1. Lee | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 13:59 | ||
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| Thankj you. I have always been unclear about whether or not my prior bets *on the same round* added into my current bet or not for this purpose. Jim | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, Boftx, 3. Dec 2003 16:57 | ||
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| Looking back on it I can easily see now *why* ReMMy and Shorn are right. Seat6, the SB, was overplaying his KT at the flop with his check-raise. The fact that he only called my turn raise, then raised the river, should have told me he picked up his 2pair with the T and not the set I feared. What was more surprising was the play from Seat1 in the BB after making 2pair on the turn. The passive play was decidely different from earlier play. But I suspect that was because he had just been stung hard 2 hands in a row by overplaying similar hands. One thing I did notice, for some reason I never considered a set of 5's being there. That would have been a costly mistake for me. Thanks for the replies ReMMy and Shorn, and Lee for clearing up my question on odds. Jim | ||
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| Re: Should I have capped the river?, kennycatkiller, 4. Dec 2003 16:07 | ||
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| you should have raised at every opportunity, including after the river. if someone played TT all the way to the river with the K on the flop, called all the raises to the river, only to make a set, well, God bless him. you took a flop with a sub-par hand, and hit your dream flop. raise, raise, raise. kennycatkiller | ||
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