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 SnG Stealing, Dr_Monkey, 3. Dec 2003 11:54 | ||
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| Blinds are 100/200. 5 to 7 players still in the NL $11 SnG, most players have similiar chip stacks. You have 1200-1300 in chips are OTB with a random hand. 2 people limp. So including the SB and BB, there is 700 in the pot. What are your thoughts on pushing all in to steal the pot? Or betting 700 (3.5 x BB)? Taking down a 700 pot would give you 1900-2000 in chips and make you a big favorite to make the money. Even if you had only 800 in chips, you would have 1500 and be pretty healthy. My thoughts are, you have to worry that the SB and BB don't have AA or KK, and sometimes AKo or AKs. It is fair to assume that the limpers don't have these hands since they probably would have raised instead of limped. I actually made this play in the last SnG I played in and it worked. Think I had 107o. I know I would have a hard time calling 1000 more to see the flop if I didn't hold AA or KK. The limpers and blinds were not in danger of blinding out so they weren't desperate, IMO. We had 7 players left (which I thought was very odd for 100/200 blinds) and no one was really making moves. Figured it was worth a shot. This might be a better play from the BB, especially if you get 3 limpers. I am thinking of trying this again if the conditions are right. Conditions I am looking for: 1. No Large stacks or small stacks in blinds or limpers. 2. Make this play OTB, SB, or BB with 2-3 limpers. 3. Table has to be fairly tight and conservative, and it probably is if I am at 100/200 with 5-7 players. 4. Have 800 or more in chips. I think 600 is the minimum but is far riskier. 5. It would be nice to have a strong hand, but hand strength is not a major consideration in this case. Is this just a totally ridiculous idea? | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, PairTheBoard, 3. Dec 2003 12:31 | ||
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| I think you should try it a couple of dozen more times and tell us how it works. I'm certainly curious although I'm not sure I want to risk a lot of my chips trying it. | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, ReMMy, 3. Dec 2003 12:40 | ||
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| Dr_Monkey, It's not a bad play if you have a good read on the table. However I think 700 or 800 will have the same effect as all in, and leave you with enough chips to scrap with if necessary, or maybe buy the pot on the flop depending on what falls. I wouldn't get in a habit of making this play but now and again it can make a difference... Good luck, ReMMy | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, palman, 3. Dec 2003 14:21 | ||
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| at 100/200 blinds I'm more worried about someone limping than them preflop raising to 500. So many people limp with aces and rockets, combined with so many people calling all ins with any pair or something like KJo that I personally would not do the play. Simply because even if it works ... with 6-7 people left its far from assured you'll cash, and if it doesnt work its pretty much assured that you won't. A triple the blinds bet should usually be called by someone (mainly the limpers) If there was ever a position to do it, it would be on the BB to be the safest.... but still with the threat of limper slowplaying.... I wouldn't do it. Since its at the 10's... you never know what the people are doing/thinking.... limping with those blinds is utter lunacy unless you have a total monster. Plus I don't respect the all-in move much (granted that doesnt mean I call when people do it) But think about it this way: if you had rockets would you play it that way? Probably not, so I wouldn't be worried about you having a monster if I saw you do it. | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, jaustin, 3. Dec 2003 17:35 | ||
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| on 3. Dec 2003 14:21 palman wrote: > at 100/200 blinds I'm more worried about someone limping than them preflop raising to > 500. So many people limp with aces and rockets, combined with so many people calling > all ins with any pair or something like KJo that I personally would not do the > play. Exactly, I used to use this play a bit and have now learned to fear the limpers (especially if they're solid players). Unless you know that limpers always raise with their premium hands, I don't like this play. You don't gain enough to risk getting busted out. | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, SCOTT FRANCIS, 4. Dec 2003 06:56 | ||
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| 9 out of 10 times when I see that specific all-in play the player holds 66, A9, ... Nothing that I would respect. I agree with the others that in a $10 tournament I cant see this playing having a success rate I would be comfortable with. Just my thoughts. Scott | ||
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| Re: SnG Stealing, Grateful Rooster, 5. Dec 2003 11:57 | ||
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| I think you can read this move both ways -- good or bad -- depending on your table read. High pairs are rare, and if you're playing at a passive table with lots of pre-flop limping, this is a good gamble. Lower priced NLHE SNGs are often filled with limit-style players who mainly play their cards and odds rather than the other players. This strategy works well against them. Realize that you will get snake bit on occasion, so leave yourself enough of a stack/chance to survive. On the other hand, if the table is tight-strong, the limping could more likely be from a very strong hand. There is an inherent advantage to avoiding a fight in tourney NLHE. Personally, I'll make that type of play, but with some sort of hand that has a chance to catch the board and be well-hidden (i.e. middle-low connectors). That way I have outs if I get called. Oh, and I would NOT go all-in pre-flop. Pot-size bet is usually enough. --GR | ||
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