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 party poker concern (new thread)........, Flakes, 2. Dec 2003 18:07 | ||
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| "Either I'm not playing correctly or something is fishy". You are playing incorrectly. Analyzing a situation and having strong reads on your opponent(s) is one thing, but to put the word "instinct" in the same category as to knowing or having a "feeling" of what card is going to come up on the river and allowing for that "instinct" to cause you to miss bets and/or to allow your opponent to see the river for nothing when you're sitting on the Nuts is terrible poker playing...it's a catastrophic mistake. That is NOT analyzing - it is ass backwards thinking and it is not a part of a smart poker players thought process. If you're afraid of being outdrawn and it's preventing you from making your best decision and the most correct decision then you should find yourself another hobby because this one isn't for you. Another thing - If you have any doubts about the site you are playing at, then pick another site - but if you think that any other site will treat you "kinder" and that this isn't just random....then again.....find yourself another hobby. Everyone wants to blame the site - the player that chased me to the river (Bla Bla Bla)..........try looking for your own mistakes and try to correct them. My reply is harsh and tough?....Well Yes it is, and so is poker - but just remember, you asked what we thought and this what I think; no need to sugar-coat it. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Highflyin3484k, 2. Dec 2003 18:31 | ||
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| GOTTUM COACH!!!!!! Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, theo, 2. Dec 2003 19:43 | ||
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| I think its that (rng) random number generator makes a big difference. I play at one of the many sites and the most frequent hands I get is a flush. I dunno what it is but, imo since its truly random certain hands come up more b/c its so random. Does that make sense? LOL i make a like flush every 7 hands approximately | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Brian Starr, 2. Dec 2003 20:02 | ||
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| uhh...how many hands have you played-7??? cmon, random is random, flushes are no more prevalent online than in a b&m. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Palinya, 2. Dec 2003 20:35 | ||
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| I'd be so rich if I could pull that off | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, ADAM THE EXPERT, 2. Dec 2003 23:13 | ||
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| UH, HELLO!! THEY ARE RICH!!! AT AN AVERAGE INCOME OF 3 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY (AVERAGE NUMBER OF REAL MONEY TABLES GOING, TIMES AVERAGE RAKE PER HOUR) THESE FOLKS, ARE MAKING A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.!!!!! FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY, THE MOST DIABOLICAL ACTIONS CAN AND WILL BE UNDERTAKEN. OFFICIALLY, ADAM THE EXPERT WILL NOT MAKE A DEFINATE STATEMENT ABOUT THIS, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT IT'S FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE. THE ISSUE, IS NOT IN HOW MANY "FLUSHES" YOU MAKE, BUT IN HOW OFTEN, MORE THAN THE MATHMATICAL NORM, BAD PLAYERS CATCH THE MIRICLE CARD THEY NEED. AND, THE FREQUENCY WHICH POCKET ACES, IN THE TOURNAMENTS, OCCUR. THINK ABOUT IT: WHICH SITE WOULD YOU PLAY ON: ONE WHERE ACES OCCUR AT THE NATURAL FREQUENCY OF 1-221, OR ONE WHERE YOU GOT THEM 1-80, OR 1-100 ! ! ! NOW, MY OFFICIAL OPNION: THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING "FUNNY" CURRENTLY. (ADAM THE EXPERT TOLD THEM TO STOP, SOME MONTHS AGO) AS FAR AS THE PAST: ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS A.T.E. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Palinya, 3. Dec 2003 00:04 | ||
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| I meant I'd be rich if I could get a flush every seventh hand. From the data I have on Party Poker I have received pocket pairs almost exactly as I would have expected over the last 30,000 hands.... I put a post up about it somewhere | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Chris W, 2. Dec 2003 20:52 | ||
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| I can assure you that not everyone has that success rate. I made one flush every 1000 hands in the past month! I'd love to trade my cards for yours. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, theo, 2. Dec 2003 22:36 | ||
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| i was exagerating, but i do notice /receive a lot of flushes online. i also lose to flushes a lot as well | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Chris W, 3. Dec 2003 01:29 | ||
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| I think I should clarify my previous remarks. I definitely don't think that being scared to bet your hand because you have some " feeling " about what the next card will be is a good way to play. I do think that newschool's play on the specific hand he mentioned was optimal even though it may have been due to questionable thinking. Schuster mentioned that you lose some value when the fourth flush card comes on the river. This is true but not the end of the world; your opponent may still call a small bet on the river. Let's assume both players have $100 in their stacks and that the player with trips will call a $20 bet on the river when the fourth flush card comes. The player with trips will call an all in bet on either the turn or the river (unless the fourth flush card arrives) the other player made the nut flush on the turn. Now there are 7 cards that will turn trips into a full house or of quads by putting a second pair or trips on the board (16%), 3 cards where he hits his kicker and makes a full house without your knowledge and you lose your entire stack (7%), 8 cards that put four to a flush on board (18%) and the other 59% of the cards don't change anything. If the player with a flush goes all in on the turn he loses $100 23% of the time and wins $100 the other 77% of the time for a net gain of $54. If the turn is checked, the player with the flush folds the 16% of the time when the board double pairs losing no chips, he bets $100 and loses 7% of the time when his opponent hits his kicker, he bets $20 and is called 18% of the time and moves all in the remaining 59% of the time for a net gain of $55.78. This is 3% better than moving in on the turn so its obviously a small gain. However, by waiting until the river to bet you are 16% less likely to lose your stack. This may allow you to bust another large stack in the future that you could not have busted if you had to rebuy for a smaller amount. It also reduces your variance. The point I want to make is that there are certain situations that arise in no limit play where taking what seems like a weak action actually leads to a higher EV. There probably aren't all that many of these situations but they do exist. Chris | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, NewSchool, 3. Dec 2003 07:34 | ||
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| I am excited with the size of the thread I started. I watched that celebrity poker on Bravo last night, but ofcourse I do not want to start a thread on the misplay that occured there. One thing I disagree with is the fact that some people call my play "scared." I do not play scared at all, that was not why I checked the turn. In no-limit you CANNOT play scared, trust me I know this. No-limit is the ONLY game I play, and I am sure that if some of you were to play with me you would agree that I do not play scared. I already gave an explanation for why I checked the turn, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I HATE limit hold 'em for one single solitary reason: your raise is limited every time (obviously). You do not get a good oppurtunity to get paid well for a very strong hand, plus you cannot bluff too well. If I was a scared player I would play limit hold em. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Highflyin3484k, 3. Dec 2003 07:39 | ||
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| you checked b/c you were scared that you were going to get rivered... (I thought checking b/c you were scared meant you were scared). When you willlose the pot 23% of the time.... and thats just if trips... if he flopped a set with a pocket pair he has no kicker to match so its less than 20% Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, NewSchool, 3. Dec 2003 07:58 | ||
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| To the 18 year old prodigy: Like I said, I do not play "scared." You may interpret a check on the turn as being scared, but given the player, and what my instinct said, I made the correct decision. Playing no limit doesnt allow you to be scared. | ||
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| Re: party poker concern (new thread)........, Highflyin3484k, 3. Dec 2003 08:41 | ||
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| I geuss Im still missing the part of how you werent scared, cause had younot been scared you would have bet the turn hard.... anyways I think we have beat this subject to a pulp so as far as Im concerned its over, just friendly chit-chat (I cant believe I just typed chit-chat). Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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