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Server Time: 12/1/2008 1:20:36 PM PACIFIC |
 Calling a raise with a drawing hand, iceman5, 2. Dec 2003 17:56 | ||
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| Lets say I have JTs. Im in LP and 3 limp in front of me. I would limp also. But now lets say I have the same JTs. The UTG raises and 2 people in front of me call the raise. Is it still correct to call the raise since its a multiway pot (although a larger one)? I dont call a raise in this situation but it seems when I raise, if someone calls then more and more people will call, so I was wondering if Im missing a play here. | ||
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| Re: Calling a raise with a drawing hand, Schuster, 2. Dec 2003 18:38 | ||
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| It's borderline either way. If you think that either of the blinds is very likely to come in, or there's 3 callers instead of 2, you could play. If people tend to release their hands easily if they don't hit the flop, or don't pay you off as much when you make a big hand, then let it go. Fact of the matter is I'd rather have a JTs than a KJs against an early raiser, since that early raiser is fairly unlikely to hold a jack or a ten unless he has TT or JJ. If he has a big pair, you're screwed either way, but if you do hit top pair, you can feel more confident about it being best rather than hitting a king with a KJ. Lee | ||
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| Re: Calling a raise with a drawing hand, ADAM THE EXPERT, 2. Dec 2003 23:30 | ||
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| THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES HERE, WHICH NEED TO BE EXAMINED, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. FOR THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE: YES, YOU SHOULD BE CALLING, (AND OCCASIONALLY THREE-BETTING) WITH YOUR JACK TEN SUITED, IN LATE POSITION, WITH THREE ALREADY IN. ONE OR BOTH BLINDS, WILL NOW BE ATTRACTED TO THE SIZE OF THE POT, AND WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY CALL, AS MIGHT THE BUTTON AND SECOND BUTTON (THAT'S "CUTOFF" FOR THOSE OF YOU USING THAT DISCUSTING TERM) THIS IS THE IDEAL STOMPING GROUNDS, FOR A VERY GOOD DRAWING HAND, LIKE JACK TEN SUITED. BUT, IT'S IMPORTANT, NOT TO START COMPRIMISING THE QUALITY OF THE SUITED CONNECTOR, AND THE NUMBER OF KNOWN CALLERS. IT'S VERY EASY, TO START THINKING "WELL, IF THREE PLAYERS ARE OK, TWO WOULD BE KIND OF OK" OR "WELL IF JACK TEN SUITED IS OK, THAN A JACK NINE SUITED IS KINDA OK" HAVE YOUR STANDARDS, AND STICK WITH THEM. ALSO, YOU WANT TO CONSIDER WITH WHAT HANDS, THE ORIGINAL RAISER, RAISES WITH. IF SHE(HE) IS AN OPOR (THAT'S ADAMESE FOR: OVER PAIR ONLY RAISER, THE NAME IS SELF EXPLAINITORY) THEN YOU MUST BE PREPARED TO NOT PAY OFF, IF THE FLOP COMES SOMETHING LIKE: J 3 6, WITH NONE OF YOUR SUIT. IF THEY ARE A LOSER RAISER, AND WILL RAISE WITH AJ, AND KJsuited, THEN YOU ARE IN EVEN BIGGER TROUBLE. THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU HAVE POSITION ON THEM, AND WILL HAVE A GOOD INDICATION WHEN YOUR PAIR (SHOULD YOU MAKE ONE) IS GOOD, AND WHEN IT'S NOT. HARDLY ANYONE, IS FOOLISH ENOUGH, TO BET OUT INTO A LARGE FIELD, WITH AN UNIMPROVED ACE KING, WHEN THE FLOP COMES JACK HIGH. NOW OF COURSE, THE PRIMARY STRENGTH OF JACK TEN SUITED, IS TO MAKE STRAIGHTS, THEN FLUSHES, NOT PAIRING UP. BUT, WITH CARDS AS "HIGH" AS JACK TEN, THERE IS A REASONABLY STRONG SECONDARY CHARACTERISIC, OF WINNING BY PAIRING, NOT STRAIGHTENING. ADAM THE EXPERT USES A TEACHING METHOD THAT USES THE FOLLOWING TERMS TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, BE VERY INCLINED TO BE INCLINED TO BE INCLINED NOT TO BE VERY INCLINED NOT TO THERE ARE VERY, VERY FEW ABSOLUTES IN POKER, SO THOSE ARE THE TERMS I USE, WHEN TEACHING. SO, IF YOU KNOW THAT THE PERSON RAISING, WILL ONLY RAISE WITH A VERY LARGE PAIR AA KK QQ JJ, YOU WOULD BE INCLINED NOT TO CALL, WITHOUT AT LEAST ONE MORE PLAYER ALREADY IN. IF NOT, YOU WOULD BE VERY INCLINED, TO CALL. OOPS, ONE MORE CONSIDERATION: IF YOU ARE PLAYING IN A GAME, WITH A BET AND FOUR RAISES, YOU HAVE TO BE MORE CAREFUL GETTING INVOLVED WITH DRAWING HANDS, AS THE PUNISHMENT FOR MISSING, IS MORE SEVERE. BUT, THAT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS VERY MANY GAMES, SO, THE PREVIOUS ADVICE, IS CORRECT MOST OF THE TIME. ICEMAN, REMEMBER, THERE ARE BLINDS IN THIS GAME, SO, YOU GOTTA PLAY SOMETHING. JUST KEEPS IT TO GROUP FOUR (WITH AN OCCASIONAL GROUP FIVE) AND YOU'LL DO OK A.T.E. | ||
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