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 Omaha Question, Ian J, 2. Dec 2003 11:36 | ||
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| Did anyone else have problems reading their own hand when first playing Omaha? I constantly need to check and re-check my hand to see what the heck I have. Is there any method to use to learn to read your own hand better. P.S. This is Omaha Hi and 8/Better | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, Highflyin3484k, 2. Dec 2003 18:05 | ||
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| TIME TIME TIME TIME... I promise you its only time, I dont know how many times I would bet hard on what I thought was a flush 2 on board 3 in hand, or 4 on board one in hand.... or a boat this was my hell... Hand: A K Q 3 Board : QQ448, examples like this I thought I had a house every time, but it gets easier, (pretty fast in my case, so prolly yours too), I dont think there is any other method, except for pounding in your head everytime you look at your cards... "TWO ONLY TWO" | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, 4 POKER, 2. Dec 2003 18:57 | ||
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| Yeah, it was a little confusing at first, especially in O8 where you flop a low and then it gets counterfeited but you still have some kind of low back-up. In Omaha high-only it's alot easier to read the board because you won't have to worry about the low parts of your hand. Just practice and with in due time it will become easier for you to read your hands correctly and quickly. If you keep telling yourself, "I can and must only use TWO cards from my hand and three from the board, you'll have less confusion. If you need to back and check your hand then do that for now - it's alot better then calling bets when your hand isn't good or what you thought it was. Give it some time, you'll see. The more you play and the more experience you gain - the easier and less complicated things become too. This is just one step that you need to learn, but you will. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, Highflyin3484k, 2. Dec 2003 19:15 | ||
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| Hi/Lo I dont know why I failed to mention the Lo aspect of the game, this tends to be much more confusing to players, especially when there is 4 low cards and one of yours is paired..... let me explain Hand: A K Q 2 Board: 587QJ Here you have the nut low so lets go to this board 2 5 4 8 K Here your low is A 2 4 5 8... the exact same as anyone holding A2, A4, A5, A8.... but you are still beaten by any two non-paired low cards.. 6-7 is a better low than what you have.. (24567) for a 7 low, compared to your 8 low, so with the deuce that fell your low has been "counterfeited" Making in this situation the nut low A3 (making a wheel), followed by A 6 Another example... Hand: AKQ2 Board- 2 3 4 5 J Here you have the wheel now this may look like a great hand, but you will be tied by anyone with A2, A3, A4, or A5 for the low... and beaten by anyone with 26,36,46,56,67 for a high (counting no flush is out). Here your hand is very dangerous and very likely to get quartered (taking half of the hi or half of the low, so half of half, quartered). The understanding of lows will come along slower than the understanding of the High form of your hand. Hope this helped in any way. Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, Jordan, 5. Dec 2003 13:34 | ||
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| i'm confused on that example where you say that a 7 low is better than the 8 low, i thought lows were determined by the lowest ranked cards up to the highest........is that not true, is it the other way around??? | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, 4 POKER, 5. Dec 2003 13:57 | ||
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| Jordan - no, if you have a 7 low and your opponent has an 8 low, even if his lowest card is lower than your lowest card, the 7 low is lower and better than the 8 low. Example : Your best possible low hand reads as follows : 7-6-4-3-2 vs. your opponents 8-7-4-2-A. Even though the 8 low has an Ace and it is lower than the duece in the 7 low hand's, your *highest* card of your low hand is what determines the winning low hand and then you proceed downward. If you both hold 7 lows, you go to the *next* lowest card after that one and so on to determine which 7 low is better. I hold 7-*6*-4-3-A and you hold 7-*5*-4-3-2 - even though my low goes down to the Ace, your low is still lower than mine because you have a 75 low and I have a 76 low. Long story short, you start from the top (highest card) and work down, not the other way around. Hope that helps a bit. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, Jordan, 5. Dec 2003 14:43 | ||
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| I thought I had kind of had on a grasp on this but now I'm not even sure: So do you have to have 2 unique cards from your own hand and the board has to have 3 additional cards that are below 8 that don't match yours is as well? example board reads A-2-4-J-K I hold A310J-do I even hold a qualifying low hand or not because my A has been 'counterfeited' and is now on the board? And then one more thing. Can you give an example where a low is 'counterfeited' and beaten by another hand with unique cards. I'm not sure I get that. Thanks a lot. | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, Highflyin3484k, 5. Dec 2003 15:05 | ||
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| You do not have a qualifying low, b/c you do not have 5 DIFFERENT cards 8 or lower. you have A A 2 3 4 but you have two aces so you may only use one so you only have A 2 3 4 with nothing to complete the low. Ex. A 2 K J Board : 2 4 8 K 10 You have no low here b/c you only have 4 cards 8 or under, Ex. A 4 K J 2 3 8 K 10 Here you have A 2 3 4 8 the nut low, as there is no hand that can be lower. Now onto what you mentioned as to what the best low is... say your low is A 2 3 4 8, you have an 8 low, say your opponent has 3 4 5 6 7, he has a 7 low so he wins, even though it looks like your hand is the clear favorite. You go from the highest to the lowest. You: A 2 4 6 8 Him: 2 3 5 6 8 You win b/c you have an 8 6 4 low, he only has an 8 6 5. does this help any? Highflyin3484k (the 18yr old poker prodigy) | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, 4 POKER, 5. Dec 2003 15:12 | ||
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| I'll answer below Jordan. on 5. Dec 2003 14:43 Jordan wrote: > I thought I had kind of had on a grasp on this but now I'm not even sure: > > So do you have to have 2 unique cards from your own hand and the board has to have 3 additional cards > that are below 8 that don't match yours is as well? Yes, if the board only contains 3 low cards. Because if there are 4 or 5 unmatched low cards on the board, you could still have a low even if you were counterfeited. But for what I think you're referring to, Yes. > example board reads A-2-4-J-K > > I hold A310J-do I even hold a qualifying low hand or not because my A has been 'counterfeited' and is > now on the board? You do not have a low because you must use two cards from your hand and there has to be three cards (or more) on the board 8 and under, but if there are only three low cards total on the board, neither one of your 2 low cards can match the low cards that are on the board. In this example there is only 3 low cards on the board but you are holding one of those low cards (the Ace) and you only have one other low card in your hand (the 3) so your holding wouldn't have a low now. Exactly, you were counterfeited. You have no low but your high hand is Aces and Jacks. > > And then one more thing. Can you give an example where a low is 'counterfeited' and beaten by another > hand with unique cards. I'm not sure I get that. Thanks a lot. I'll give you an example: You hold A-2-x-x. (the x-x are cards higher than 8 say). Your opponent holds 3-5-x-x. (again, the x-x cards are both higher than an 8)..... The Flop : 8-6-4. You currently have the nut low with your A/2 which reads 8-6-4-*2-*A - vs. your opponents flopped low which is 8-6-*5-4-*3. Yours is lower because you flopped an 8-6-4-low and he flopped an 8-6-5 low. Now, let's say you get counterfeited on the turn with your deuce. The board reads : 8-6-4-2. Although your low would still remain the same of 8-6-4-2-A, your opponents low now reads, 6-5-4-3-2. He's taking the three best/lowest cards from the board and he's placing his two low cards, the 5 and the 3, and he's making a 6 low for himself - and he also has a high hand, a straight - 2-3-4-5-6. (remember, the best way to figure out your low hand is to always read them from highest card down, and remember that the Ace is used at the bottom, like some of the examples that were given in this thread. I think you are getting a little confused with the lows because you're assuming that if you hold an Ace that that low has to be better and lower, and that's not so. When you're dealt an Ace/Deuce, sure, that's the best possible two low cards to *draw* to, but what comes out on the flop can alter that. So when you're trying to figure the lows in your head, think of the Ace as being a 1, which will obviously always be factored in after the 2/deuce. Maybe that will help a bit). Generally speaking, if you *only* hold two low cards in your hand, you do not want to see those low cards appear on the board after you flop the nut low or you're drawing to a nut low. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Omaha Question, ADAM THE EXPERT, 5. Dec 2003 00:04 | ||
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| ACIENT ADAMESE SECRET: MAKE SURE YOU PROPERLY ORGANIZE THE CARDS IN YOUR HAND: Ace King deuce three, DOUBLE SUITED, SHOULD LOOK LIKE: Ac 2c 3d Kd PLACED IN THAT ORDER. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SEE ONE'S CARDS THAT WAY, THEN IF YOU JUST PUT THEM IN A RANDOM ORDER. PLACE SUITED CARDS TOGETHER, WITH LOW CARDS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. SO: As Kd 10s 3h, becomes : Kd 10s As 3h ALSO, DON'T FEEL BAD, OR THAT YOU ARE "GIVING SOMETHING AWAY" IF YOU LOOK BACK AT YOUR CARDS. IT'S MUCH BETTER TO LOOK, THAN TO THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING, THAT YOU DON'T, OR-EVEN WORSE, TO THINK THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, THAT YOU DO. KEEP ON OMAHAING ! ! ! ! A.T.E. | ||
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